Unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in mainstream childcare or school

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To think children shouldn't be allowed in nurseries or schools if their parents refuse to vaccinate them..

I'm excluding children who medically can't have them for some reason, and this will be too rare to cause a problem, and they deserve the benefit of herd immunity.

But I'm growing tired of the nutcase conspiracy theorists who failed GCSE science but think they've somehow found something missed by experts.

The only argument against this is that it keeps them home with their quack parents and reduces the opportunity for them to be exposed to normal people. But I don't think we should risk other people's lives for it if their parents aren't willing to do the same.

Ha 😁

I had mumps twice (once on each side), as did my husband and all my peers. It was just considered routine for us.

Yes but you can be vaccinated as an adult, which is what I thought those at most risk of catching these things form kids would do.

These kids parents have already prioritised their own stupidity over their children’s safety. I don’t think removing their children from schools where they will have an opportunity to encounter more rational people helps the kids at all. Certainly wouldn’t want those people home-schooling (some do).

As for the poster above who thinks I don’t say this to anti-vaxxers faces, you’re right. I certainly do soften the message when negligent parents who thought they’d ’done their research’ and risked their child’s life as a consequence ask if they child might not have needed to be intubated if they’d vaccinated.

Well, I'm out of here for a bit. What this thread has achieved for me though is an awareness that I literally do skip around the woods sometimes, generally before the exhaustion after miles of hiking kicks in, and there's something to be said for that. It has always been something I do without thought. I accept I'm weird.

Yeah and in Canada. Works fine. People accept it because it’s the law. Vaccinations are done in schools. I remember all too clearly the day in high school I had it done and was wearing a dress with tight sleeves and has to put my arm though the neck hole!

I’m at risk. I can’t be vaccinated

People are really fucking dim sometimes though. Twice now I’ve been in a doctors waiting room and discovered I’ve been sat with a child with chicken pox because they haven’t told reception (policy at my doctors is anything like chicken pox goes in a separate door and waiting room)
twice I’ve then had to take time off work and fuck about ringing the hospital, getting urgent bloods, sorting out if I need medication and then waiting to see if I start with any symptoms

I know it’s not the point of the thread but that statistic around home births is only for first time mums, for second time it’s 12% not 50%.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack yes my children belong to me and i am legally responsible for them and what vaccinations they receive until they’re of an age where they can decide themselves.

What the government should do which I’m sure it’s already trying, is to crack down on the misinformation out there on the internet and educate people with outreach programs and hold lots of pop up vaccination clinics.

I do understand not everyone is able to be vaccinated, I thought it went without saying I was talking about people who were able to be vaccinated.

You are strange

You are strange

No, because it punishes the children, not their idiot parents. Also, school plays a vital role in child safeguarding, through ensuring that non-related adults have eyes on safeguarding. Children with conspiracist parents are a vulnerable group in need of protection.

I agree with you about misinformation.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that your children "belong to you". You are legally responsible for them, yes, but you don't own them.

And they have rights of their own.

And you think that the sort of parents who believe they know better than trained scientists are capable of providing their kids with a good home education?

Children are people. People are not property. People cannot ‘belong’ to anyone else - that’s slavery.

So you accept that it is the children who suffer the consequences of their parents’ stupidity?

I think there's a huge difference between encouraging vaccination and denying a child access to education because of a decision made by their parents.

Vaccines are an important public health measure, but they're not 100% effective, and vaccination status alone doesn't tell you whether a child is infectious or poses a risk to others. There are also children who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, and families with genuine concerns who deserve respectful discussion rather than being dismissed as idiots.

We already have public health procedures for managing infectious disease outbreaks, including temporary exclusion where necessary. That's very different from a blanket ban on otherwise healthy children attending school.

And surely we should consider the consequences for the children themselves? Denying them education, friendships and social development because of their parents' decisions seems an extraordinarily disproportionate response.

You can strongly support vaccination without supporting the exclusion of children from mainstream education. The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.

so parents who dont want to vaccinate their children must vaccinate their children to protect these people/children? 🤔

I've followed the sheep and vaccinated my dc, but in hindsight i probably shouldn't have, i wish i hadn't. A few people i know, havent vaccinated their children, and their children are doing just fine. They hardly get colds/etc, get over it very easily when they do, no major health converns, no skin issues/allergies, they are doing just fine, and good on their parents for having a mind of their own i say.

Thank god it’s not anymore due to vaccination. Especially for the side effects which can be worse if older boys or men catch it.

So erm are we going to talk about the UK Government paying almost £30 million in the last five years for vaccine damage? Let me find a link on the government website https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-10-20/83545

@BePeachNewt ffs it’s a figure of speech to get across the idea of parental responsibility. I’m not trying to sell them on Vinted. If anyone is enslaved I think it’s me!

There are real cases in history where vaccines and other medicines have caused real harm to people. Not very often but it does happen, so as a parent, I am very happy with having the freedom to make an informed decision about anything that gets injected into my children.

Idk, I think vaccination needs to be encouraged through access, education and counselling. Not coercion.

Some anti vaxxers will have mental health issues/health anxiety which makes hard for them to trust their children to the NHS.

A few will be the unfortunate tiny, tiny minority who have a vaccine injured child. Imagine how hard it must be to let a younger sibling go through the same process in thosr cases

A lot are just conspiracy theorists, sure. But is still doesn't sit right with me to blackmail them through access to education.

I'd be fine with this happening. The parents would still have to educate their child and provide alternative child care arrangements. They would be willing to do this I'm sure, if they believed in their cause and if it all started to get a bit inconvenient, they could get the children vaccinated and access state provision.

It is well known that vaccines are not risk free.

Sometimes vaccines can have consequences

My children are vaccinated - I never considered not vaccinating as on balance I feel the risk from the illness is worse than the risk of vaccine

However, I know a lot of people suffering from vaccine damage from the COVID vaccine. Including 2 deaths. On balance I also know people who died of COVID it have been suffering with long COVID.

So it really is up to individual people to decide on vaccinate for themselves and their children.