Unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in mainstream childcare or school

[ApronSprings]

To think children shouldn't be allowed in nurseries or schools if their parents refuse to vaccinate them..

I'm excluding children who medically can't have them for some reason, and this will be too rare to cause a problem, and they deserve the benefit of herd immunity.

But I'm growing tired of the nutcase conspiracy theorists who failed GCSE science but think they've somehow found something missed by experts.

The only argument against this is that it keeps them home with their quack parents and reduces the opportunity for them to be exposed to normal people. But I don't think we should risk other people's lives for it if their parents aren't willing to do the same.

Why would you attribute being ill ever since to the vaccine?

I don't see what that would achieve. I know people who don't vaccinate and home educate by choice. Even if it wasn't by choice, your children would still encounter them in the stores, at the parks, in recreation, at extracurricular activities, on planes. So taking them out of school won't stop your exposure to those children at all.

Oh my God. You really are a bot. Please everyone stop engaging with this person.

Those without a brain shouldn't have an opinion, Just a thought...

And further prosecuted if they contribute to an outbreak of a disease which was previously eradicated?

I agree. There’s a kid in my son’s year who’s recovering from leukaemia and something like measles or chicken pox could land him in intensive care or worse. Why should he miss out on a education because of others shitty parenting?

Huh?
So you attribute anything in your life that happens after a vaccine to being caused by the vaccine?!

How could something which had been eradicated return?

That could apply on both sides of the debate though. The only ones really worth engaging with are those who are educated enough to know that it's not completely black and white.

Exactly this!

It couldn't. Some might be almost eradicated and could bounce back from that if there is a host population, but eradicated can't come back.

That’s what I thought.

This! We don't wear tin foil hats and skip around the woods like fairy's 😂 these people would not say this stuff to our faces either. Thanks for the laugh OP

I think it was a fair question. I'm really not having a "jab" but how do you go about it? Is every life event post vaccination directly related to the vacine? You said your child had been ill ever since I'm genuinely curious...

In case you didn't know, anyone in this category can get their second dose as an adult. I did, particularly because I was not immune to rubella (pre-IVF testing).

I have heard antivax parents become anxious when there's outbreaks, and it blows my mind. Surely if you were concerned about your child catching it you'd get vaccinated?

Some people on this site could probably do with a dose of skipping around the woods like fairies. Maybe without the tinfoil hats, though we could have a competition to see who can make the best and most interesting one.

@ApronSprings no ultimately it would be the state. The state should not and cannot coercively control parents into vaccinating their children. The state has no right to dictate personal medical choices. The children belong to the parents until they are old enough to decide for themselves.

I think anyone who doesn’t vaccinate their children is bonkers but I will defend their right to make that choice.

I'm sure they won't want to be in the face of someone unvaccinated. You are right about that.

I hear what you are saying, but now that there is such an increase in cases and some areas of the UK only half of parents are vaccinating their children.
Don't we trust the state to step in when parents are abusing their child? If a child was denied medical treatment they would be referred to social services, why is this any different?

That is not the case for everyone who decides against a vaccine and I haven’t personally seen that happen where I live

Good to know. Some of my friends got it at uni as they rolled out clinics when it started spreading. But I didn’t because I’d already caught mumps as a kid - thanks to not having that second jab!

The children belong to their parents?

Children are people, not possessions. They have rights of their own. And sometimes that includes the right to be protected from their parents.

You should try skipping around the woods some time. Or even just spending some time in some remote and isolated nature. You don't need the tinfoil hat but sun hats would be recommended. It's great for the spirit.

Mumps vaccine wasn’t available when I was a child, I just googled and it only started in the UK in 1988.