Unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in mainstream childcare or school

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To think children shouldn't be allowed in nurseries or schools if their parents refuse to vaccinate them..

I'm excluding children who medically can't have them for some reason, and this will be too rare to cause a problem, and they deserve the benefit of herd immunity.

But I'm growing tired of the nutcase conspiracy theorists who failed GCSE science but think they've somehow found something missed by experts.

The only argument against this is that it keeps them home with their quack parents and reduces the opportunity for them to be exposed to normal people. But I don't think we should risk other people's lives for it if their parents aren't willing to do the same.

Voted unreasonable. You lost the argument when you started to insult others by using terms "quacks" and "normal people"

That's the same for anything. It's impossible for anything to be "fully" researched.

Of course anyone who refuses vaccines without a good reason is a quack.

What is evident from your responses to everyone is that you yourself have absolutely no idea about how vaccines work all the risks associated with them, including viral shedding post the actual vaccination. Did you fail your science GCSEs? Personally, I got A’s in my straight science A-levels and have a science degree

It’s not just that though. I couldn’t have the MMR as a child due to an egg allergy. As an adult I can’t have it as I’m severely immunocompromised
if I catch measles I’m likely to be really unwell because of my blood disorder
herd immunity protects me but children who could be vaccinated, aren’t being so the amount of measles in the community goes up

I know there are some that can't and need herd immunity to protect them. I also know there are some who the vaccine doesn't 'take' for, which is why there are multiple doses, to reduce that. However, for most children, vaccines should protect them individually as well.

As I have mentioned above, I just knew there was something wrong with how my child responded to a vaccine and stepped away from it. Doctors couldn't explain it, but I knew. I was validated 25 years later when the issue was diagnosed. I think I made the right decision, so will always support vaccine choice. With what I know about my genetics and family history now, every vaccine is carefully weighed up and a bit scary for me. The difference is I now know why. I'd have home schooled if forced to choose.

You got excellent GCSEs but don't know how to use an apostrophe correctly?

There’s no irony at all.

What’s very obvious is anti-vaxxer selfishness. That’s why you see queues of anti-vax parents at jab clinics if there’s a big outbreak. They hide behind herd immunity until the immunity breaks down and then all the ‘concerns’ go out the window when they’re looking at a high risk of infection.

I totally agree - it’s the stupid parents punishing their children - no-one else’s responsibility. It makes me absolutely furious

Are you trying to make a dig at parents who home educate?

I had my children vaccinated, they are much older now.
If I decided I did not want my children vaccinated I would not be discussing it with anybody. It really is personal choice.
I disagree with what you are suggesting and as other posters say, you cannot deny a child a school place because of parental choice.

Some adults my age didn’t get the second MMR booster hence the spreading of mumps at universities about 20 years ago.

So I wouldn’t assume an adult who caught it was totally unvaccinated.

I think they make it mandatory in some areas of Australia as well as parts of the USA.

I heard a quote once "I won't set my child on fire, to keep yours warm". I find this debate highly amusing. You don't have to worry - your children are protected by the amazing vaccines aren't they? 😍

I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone who thinks kids of an age they are doing GCSE Chemistry still have any interest in play time in the woods is a bit silly. I mean, we still play in the woods, but we call it hiking now.

Everything about these people is ironic. I contribute it to the 1000 vaccines running through their system.

Parents would be denying their child a school place as well as denying them basic free healthcare.

Not necessarily. I had all my childhood vaccinations and for some reason, acquired absolutely no immunity to rubella. This was discovered when I became pregnant and I had to have a separate vaccination as an adult.

Vaccines aren’t 100% effective- most people who are vaccinated against a disease will become immune to it. A few people, like me with rubella, will not. If the vast majority of people who are medically able to have them get their vaccines, it doesn’t really matter that they don’t work for a relatively small number of people, because herd immunity is achieved and the illness stops circulating in the general population. A vaccine doesn’t have to be 100% effective to be worthwhile, it just has to be effective enough to make most people immune so that the disease stops circulating.

If enough people aren’t vaccinated, the disease starts circulating again and becomes a threat to people who either can’t receive vaccines for medical reasons or received the vaccine but didn’t become immune.

Actions have consequences.

Again. opinion not fact.

How are they a risk to other children in school if those other children are vaccinated?

YABVU. People should be encouraged to have vaccines but I don’t want to live somewhere that you can’t access education and other tax payer funded services if you don’t take a vaccine. That’s a very slippery slope.

my DD caught whooping cough in 1999 even though she had been vaccinated was poorly for weeks.
Then she was the first cohort to have the rushed through HPV vaccine. Been ill ever since. Does it make me a quack to question if every vaccine is worth having?
I have always participated in vaccination programmes unquestionably but some now I do question. I don't have young children now so it's not up to me
but are you having flu and COVID vaccines yourself should they be mandatory now for all.

You need to read this thread. Not everyone who is vaccinated is immune and there will also be a group of people who can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons.

It would be the parents stopping them from attending school, rather than it being the state. If they want them to attend school then they need to vaccinate them.

I don't agree that children should be punished for the irresponsible decisions of their feckless parents. They have a right to be educated by people who are actually fit to educate them.

I would rather see parents who fail to vaccinate their children prosecuted for neglect.