Unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in mainstream childcare or school

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To think children shouldn't be allowed in nurseries or schools if their parents refuse to vaccinate them..

I'm excluding children who medically can't have them for some reason, and this will be too rare to cause a problem, and they deserve the benefit of herd immunity.

But I'm growing tired of the nutcase conspiracy theorists who failed GCSE science but think they've somehow found something missed by experts.

The only argument against this is that it keeps them home with their quack parents and reduces the opportunity for them to be exposed to normal people. But I don't think we should risk other people's lives for it if their parents aren't willing to do the same.

No, I think that just leads to more kids growing up with the same views as their parents wouldn’t be teaching them otherwise, at school they would be able to get a more balanced education.

As a home educator I know a fair few anti vaxxers and those kids will be mixing with yours at out of school clubs, parks, soft play etc.

By that logic someone can choose to set fire to your house because they want to? Even though it'll affect you and could kill you?

I knew the family and that the child was unvaccinated. I had all my scheduled vaccinations but in some people the mumps vaccine becomes less effective as they age, and the protection wanes. No adults get mumps vaccinations as standard

Happy to be corrected, I didn’t realise that was the case.

This......

There are risks for some children/people which depend upon their genetics which aren’t fully understood , in those cases a parent will err on the side of caution

In the State of New York in 2008 our DS needed all age appr vaccinations to attend any educational setting. He was 3, we had to arrange a local flu jab and a chicken pox vaccination as he'd not caught it at nursery in the UK. To be honest, I thought this was good practice

Why would it come from a recently vaccinated child?

I think the problem is that the parents who are ignorant enough to not vaccinate are often the same ones who struggle with school being mandatory and not 100% tailored to the individual child. So they might not worry too much about not having to get their child to school any more. They’ll be off for some sensory play in the woods, rather than worrying about GCSE Chemistry.

Could you please explain a little about what you would consider to be a good reason for rejecting a particular vaccine?

So do your children's vaccines protect them or not? If they do, I wouldn't worry about the unvaccinated children being a danger to yours, so no need to exclude them.

And which vaccines are we including in this? Would the annual flu one be included?

Any parent who could but doesn’t vaccinate their children is abusive IMO.

If an unvaccinated child is implicated in any outbreak or incidence of notifiable infectious disease the parents should be sued for creating a serious public risk. A few well publicised bankruptcies would get the other foolish, indolent parents down the GPs for children’s jabs.

Anti-vaxxers are all driven by selfishness. If the consequences of not vaccinating are serious enough for the parents they’ll change their tune sharpish.

which vaccinations are you talking about all the traditional ones or the flu as well?

i don’t like forcing people to vaccinate like this, it takes away trust in the health system. I think it’s better to make getting vaccines really accessible- with walk in clinics. and repeated conversations with parents. Apparently there are many people who aren’t against vaccination but never get around to it so that is an easy group to target.

I had the traditional ones in mind, MMR, Polio etc. The ones that kill.
But for schools there is a clear benefit to all kids having the flu jabs in as much as impact on attendance for staff and kids.

Agree. I stepped away from a particular vaccine based on my instincts because of what happened when I did give it. I did try to speak to doctors and even a very high up doctor about the issue, which I'm not going to explain here, but no-one really understood so said give them the vaccine anyway. I didn't. It was 25 years later I found out why the issue occurred (it was genetic) and we still react very strongly and sometimes oddly to all sorts of medications and vaccines. If there's an odd and rare side effect, we'll get it, which is a bit of a family joke now. We were able to catch up a bit later and it was handled much better by their bodies.

Not all risks are fully verified or have been fully researched, there are contraindications which have been linked to vaccines in the past where parents have sufficient concerns. Even children have a vaccine they are exposed and sone parents will have concerns. We often make decisions for our children and we make them with the best of intentions.

I support the right to choose but anyone trotting out the autism risk loses credibility. Autism was around before vaccines and is genetic. Autoimmune diseases also occur in non-vaccinated children.

What vaccine gives kids autism?

You can’t seriously still think vaccines cause autism?!

They're not being forced to vaccinate. They would be choosing for their children to miss out on education if they choose not to vaccinate them.

Vaccinations work on herd immunity.

Take Measles for example. About 1% of people who are vaccinated do not end up being immune. Then you’ll have a certain % of people who can’t get the vaccine, people who are immunocompromised or small babies ect.,,

In order to actually stop the spread of measles you need a 95% rate of vaccination.

Amazing how parents of vaccinated children are still so worried about their children catching diseases (that they’ve been vaccinated against) from unvaccinated children. Do you see the irony?