Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

The drugs used are the same as those used for assisted suicide - and the bill on that that was recently attempted to be pushed through parliament specifically disallowed any scrutiny of these drugs. Thank goodness it was voted down!

Totally 100% agree with this. This was what I was trying to write. The death penalty doesn't belong in a healthy society.

ok, so at least we’ve limited it to murder which is a start. What if the victim had raped or murdered the perpetrator’s children. Is that mitigation? Would that merit commuting to life in prison?

No, they aren't.

The drugs they used to use, which are the same as the assisted dying ones, are no longer supplied for executions.

So they use old drugs, ones obtained on the grey market, or cocktails made up by specialist pharmaceutical companies that are distinctly lacking in quality control.

There have been problems with assisted suicide administration sometimes, but the drugs are executions are essentially old or counterfeit.

Ok, but that’s not the same as a life for a life. That sounds more like a life for a life sometimes.

She's a person. We don't need to find reasons to keep her alive, we need reasons to torture and kill her. Give me a reason for that which isn't appealing to exactly the same instincts as the murderers themselves might use.

Keeping people safe is justified and necessary. The death penalty costs more than life in prison, and achieves nothing. It's ritual murder, dressed in clinical garb and performed with an IV line instead of a ceremonial dagger. It lessens the state carrying it out, and permeates society with the idea that revenge is justice. It's bullshit.

We don't need to find reasons to keep her alive? I wish people cared more about keeping others alive when it came to non-funded cancer treatments, etc. Governments let innocent people die every day because it's inconvenient and expensive to extend their lives or seek cures with proven treatments.

Life is cheap, the death penalty is only expensive if you allow appeals, and humans are not an endangered species.

(Disclaimer: I'm still not actually in favour of the DP, based on the fact that I don't trust governments with that power.)

I would not fancy meeting some of you lot here on a dark night with your dark vengeful souls.
Then don't murder any of "us lot's" son or daughter and you won't have to 🙄
I get fed up with all these people saying that "the brain doesn't mature until it's owner is 25". Unless they have learning difficulties anyone can still read at 18 and know right from wrong.
In Tennessee they have just altered the law about Criminal Responsibility.
https://nashvillebanner.com/2024/07/15/new-tennessee-law-juvenile-court/

Generally I’m against the death penalty however after reading what she did I have lost sympathy. It was so horrific. Many people are abused in life sadly but don’t end up murdering someone.

I’m not sure what the answer is. They can’t let her out (she has also tried to murder someone whilst in prison) but it can cost $100,000 per year to keep someone in prison in the US so there may be others reasons at play.

If we had a "healthy society", as you put it, there would be no murders.

Will she become some sort of celebrity if she returns to prison? Maybe they should let her victim's family choose what happens to her now.

No. Because she already is alive. The act they need to justify is killing her.

Lethal injection isn’t the only method available.

This whole case.. the torture and murder, what’s happened to the murderer.., proof if you ever need it that there is no God

How so ??

Ah, so your argument is that inaction is moral, even when it assuredly results in death, but action that results in death is immoral?

No, I'm talking about execution. I'm not talking about healthcare. Obviously people should get medical treatment but that's another thread...

It sounds awful what I’m about to say but karma is a bitch 🤷🏼‍♀️

So what is justice to you? If the death penalty is 'vengeance' then what is 'justice'?

Murder and torture is either wrong or right. It can't be both.

No, we're talking about deliberate inaction resulting in death, vs deliberate action resulting in death. Is one more moral or acceptable than the other?

I would have thought it was fairly obvious. Why would a God make people suffer so much .. and that includes creating the evil people that inflict suffering to others.

It does indeed sound awful, because botched executions are not "karma". Ask a Buddhist.

You just have to look up those countries who currently impose the death penalty.

I think that's enough for me to make a judgement about how civilised these countries are, and I include the US in that.

Life without parole in solitary is enough punishment for anyone IMO. Executions are the epitome of uncivilised vengeance.

And if she had tortured your child until they were dead then kept a piece of their skull as a trophy would you be saying the same. You wouldn't know how it would feel to know your child was murdered in such a way. Maybe Colleen's mother should have the final say.

The culture has already decided that only lethal injection is acceptable.

This is what I don't get.
I am 100% against the death penalty, but if they are going to do it, why not a simple bullet in the head? Why not the old fashioned guillotine? Why have they decided that injections are the only acceptable way?