Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

Exactly this!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yes she did she knew she would be imprisoned for her crime. You simply cannot get away with murder. You will be trialed and sentence and that she would have known at minimum.

What bit of this is anywhere near normal?

Her boyfriend threatened her with a knife, but she felt he was the ONLY person who'd protected her?

Then someone else tried to muscle in on that relationship.

If she'd mentioned that on MN she'd have been told threatening her was a red flag, eun let the other girl have him .

I don't think any of it is normal, but I do think it should have been considered when sentencing

I don't need to accept your wonderland, because as it turns out even own own judicial system doesn't. The existence of successive appeals courts up to SCOTUK means that reality is very much on my side.

Come back to be when we have abolished appealsconvicyt

omg where have I said this is normal? Off course it isn’t. 🙄🤦🏼‍♀️

While living at the Job Corps training campus, Pike met and fell in love with another Job Corp student, 17-year-old Tadaryl Shipp. They began dabbling in the occult and devil worship. Pike became convinced that fellow student Colleen Slemmer was trying to steal Shipp.[15][16] Along with her friend, 18-year-old Shadolla Peterson, Pike planned to lure Slemmer to an isolated, abandoned steam plant near the University of Tennessee campus.[15]
On January 12, 1995, Pike, Shipp,[16] Peterson, and Slemmer signed out of the dormitory and went to the woods, where Slemmer was told they wanted to make peace by offering her some cannabis.[15] Upon arrival at the secluded location, Slemmer was attacked by Pike and Shipp while Peterson acted as lookout. According to court testimony, for the next 30 minutes, Pike and Shipp taunted, beat, and slashed Slemmer. During the attack, Slemmer begged for her life.[17] Pike and Shipp held her down and used a box cutter[18] to carve a pentagram into her chest while she was still alive,[15][19][20][21] while Pike used a meat cleaver and sliced her across the stomach, ignoring Slemmer's pleas and cries to stop. She was stabbed and slashed hundreds of times.[15][22] Finally Pike repeatedly smashed Slemmer's skull with a large chunk of asphalt, killing her through brain injury. Pike dug through the gaping open hole in Slemmer's head, fished a piece of her skull, and put the blood-soaked fragment in her jacket pocket. She would show it off and boast about how she got it.[15][23][24] All three were arrested within 36 hours. Shipp's room was searched, and a Satanic Bible and altar were found. A search of Pike's jacket turned up the piece of Slemmer's skull. Even so, Pike insisted she and her co-conspirators were merely trying to scare Slemmer and their plan got out of control.[15]

I don't think it would help her, though. It's a truism that it doesn't bring Colleen back to life, and there have been many reports of the relatives of murder victims saying that they felt no better after the murderer had died or been executed.

Oh look!!!

Pike rejected a deal offered by the prosecution to plead guilty in return for a sentence of life imprisonment without parole.[27]

Soo she actually rejected a plea deal. 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐 which I’m guessing is why she got the death penalty. So actually everyone on this post saying her childhood impacted her choices and decisions even though evidence was stacked up against her for a crime she committed she STILL thought maybe she would get lower than life imprisonment without parole. Maybe she’s not as ‘damaged’ as people think.

And yet plenty of people on here are claiming that killing Pike will help her. Others are therefore entitled to disagree.

What is “wonderland” about stating there are cases where the guilty party is undeniably guilty. Having the ability to appeal doesn’t make them any less guilty?

I also stated I believe the ability to appeal should not be allowed in specific cases, not that is shouldn’t be available to all, so why you’re suggesting I want you to “accept my wonderland” is anyone’s guess or was this response meant for another poster?

Can people honestly say that a 50-year-old is the same person they were when they were 18? Also, having been "executed" once, surely living with the fact that you are going to have to go through it again is cruel and unusual punishment in itself. She wasn't sentenced to be executed twice. This case is so unusual, it will end up back at the Supreme Court. Trump should just give her a conditional pardon, but I doubt he will.

Yes, because she was badly advised by a lawyer who was 4 months out of law school and had never handled anything even remotely like this before.

I think you'll find that rich people who can afford good lawyers get away with a very great deal more than very poor people who can't.

Had CP taken the deal, she would have vanished into total obscurity. Now the whole world has heard of her, and she has been turned into a victim, which she doesn't deserve. This is another good reason to abolish the death penalty.

I must admit, I'd stack the deck, if I had to win.

or possibly she’s too damaged to understand the implications?

She was, apparently, told that she wouldn't get the death penalty by the 4 - month - graduate lawyer.

The USA still lives with the justice system of the Wild West.

It’s about punishment not rehabilitation, which explains why they have such a high rate of recidivism. Plus the general high murder and criminality rates.

I haven’t said that mitigating factors shouldn’t be taken into account, what I am saying is that these shouldn’t mean that someone should be let off lighter because of horrific childhoods.

But that is the essence of mitigation. These are precisely the sort of things that get taken into account by the courts every day when sentencing.

Although you claim that, when you use the word "excuse" you are referring to lightening the sentence not totally letting someone off, the rest of your post shows that you are still confusing the two.

It might help to try another example. If someone steals food from a shop for a starving child, they know it is wrong and that they may be arrested, charged and convicted, and presumably they accept that risk. Yet no-one would suggest, I hope, that they should be sentenced in precisely the same way as some idiot who comes and steals precisely the same stuff purely for fun.

In this case, Christa Pike was born with brain damage leading to learning difficulties and other problems. She lived a life where people did horrific things to her and got away with it, and when she tried to get help from people like the police she just got sent back to suffer more abuse. Yes, she probably did learn somewhere that the death penalty existed for murder.

However, what she saw all day every day was people getting away with offences without suffering any consequences, and she then came across a boyfriend who offered her some prospect of escape and became in thrall to him. She knew that she might get the death penalty for murder, but the simple fact is that that in itself does not inevitably mean that she had to. The state allowed for the death penalty to be commuted to life imprisonment if there were mitigating factors, and these factors along with matters such as her age should have been considered as such. Now, mitigating factors should also include the amount of time she has spent in solitary confinement, and the fact that she has been grievously injured by the state.

And, of course, the death penalty is wholly uncivilised and immoral anyway.

What are the cases where there is no doubt though? The guy that was released from death row last week had confessed because he was coerced by the police. They had also interfered with the evidence. By your standard there would have been no doubt, but you would be wrong.

100% I agree with rich people getting away with more for the more expensive lawyers I mean look at P.diddy.

You can’t keep excusing this woman though.

Given the learning difficulties caused by FAS, even that is not certain.

But if she did, continued imprisonment is adequate punishment, particularly bearing in mind that she has been maimed by the state as well.

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It's called going loose or noose in the US.

I didn't see the original post before it was deleted but Ian Huntley died after being attacked in jail and loads of people said "good riddance" and their posts weren't deleted although many other people made the point that it's not acceptable for prisoners to be allowed to attack other prisoners.

Is there evidence of this FAS that led to her having brain damage? Medical records? Before birth from the mother and after birth?