Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

But if they "just crack on and do it" without giving any time for appealing, where does this leave the Sally Clarks, Angela Cannings and Stefan Kiszkos of this world?

I’m sure they will think it comparatively shit in 50 years, however it is still very reliable.

Prior to DNA testing, phone tower pings and CCTV evidence, people were convicted on eyewitness testimony, confessions, and circumstantial evidence. The first two have been proven to be unreliable and circumstantial evidence isn’t much to go by without the aide of the later technologies.

The jump from what a partially sighted neighbour thought they saw on a dark, dark night in 1973 to clothing fibres and bodily fluids being found at the crime scene is astronomical.

I doubt there will be such a big change as this going forward.

Then that is also wrong then isn’t it? Why wasn’t all who took place in torturing and murdering this person not have the same consequences as Christa? So yes people are right saying something is seriously wrong with the US justice system because how can you sentence one person to death when there was others who did the exact same.

Again you are not getting what I mean when I have tried to explain what I mean, you are continuing to argue with me when I have explained what I mean with what I have said on numerous occasions. I haven’t said that mitigating factors shouldn’t be taken into account, what I am saying is that these shouldn’t mean that someone should be let off lighter because of horrific childhoods. So what you’re trying to argue with me is a load of BS. You can’t say that someone did those things because they didn’t know no different, at some point in her life she would have heard, or seen on the news or radio or even in the paper that someone was being punished for murder or that murder isn’t ok and has consequences. You learn about things in school too, people talk about these things all the time. At some point she would have known. You can’t make out that for the whole 18 years before her crime she didn’t know she would suffer consequences for murdering someone. Especially in the state she lived in she would 100% of heard they can give the death penalty for that.

But we know it doesn't work. We know it carries the risk of killing innocent people.

Cold-bloodedly putting people to death just isn't justifiable.

I think I’ve made it completely clear in my comments. The death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is no doubt.

At the time I posted this, you hadn't produced your explanation the word "excuse" in your vocabulary doesn't mean the same as it does for everyone else.

However, you haven't explained why you don't believe mitigating factors should not be taken into account when people are sentenced.

She has had a brutal life but she didnt just murder someone in a fit of rage and anger. It was a planned killing in which.she tortured someone and the victim died in horrific circumstances. What do you suggest? Let her go free? Her victim doesnt have the luxury of life so why should she?

Why is it either/or? I'd rather live in a society with a civilised justice system AND have cancer patients fully treated.

So what if we never achieve a state where that can be guaranteed ?

Or are you saying we have reached that state and I should shut up and go away ?

Or somewhere in between ?

@Fortuityhere you go. She planned it? So premeditated, wasn’t a fit of rage and loss of emotional regulation. She knew what she was doing even with the horrific childhood.

Not another one. Nobody on this thread claims that Pike's childhood excuses murder. It should have been taken into account on sentencing.

But she will absolutely have known what she did wasnt normal. And maybe if you say she can be taught whats normal, its too late anyway?

Sally Clark and Angela Canning were not sentenced to the death penalty. The other case is from the 70s and as I’ve previously said using examples prior to DNA testing as an argument against capital punishment today is not relevant.

I was just thinking (and that's dangerous), that a veterinary surgeon doesn't have to take the Hippocratic oath. S/he has access to euthanasia drugs, legally obtained. If places like the US are determined to continue to execute by injection, then line up some willing vets and let them do it with their legally obtained and effective drugs.

Interested to know what the obstacle to this might be. I know vets may not be willing, but could they do it legally if they were willing?

But to add to my previous post, tortured too, so not a swift quick killing, she purposely inflicted pain, frightening and scare into this person too, pro longing it before finally murdering her.

Not according to the majority of people on this post, according to them her horrific childhood excuses it to a certain degree because apparently she wouldn’t of known what is right and what is wrong because she was subjected to certain things in her childhood, but premeditated torturing over a certain amount of time and then finally murdering her is her not knowing what is right and what is wrong yet everyone knows that’s fucking wrong.

This is going into fantasyland. Are you claiming a massive plot by the governments of all countries, sustained over several decades and changes of government, to falsify their homicide statistics to make the death penalty look bad? How on earth would that be achieved, and why on earth would anyone bother? We have enough problems getting other countries to agree with us on immigration, trade, the economy, you name it - where do you claim that we derived this magical power to make them agree with us for such a long time about the death penalty?

The statistics are based on publicly available information which can be checked by anyone and everyone. They have demonstrated consistently for decades that the death penalty is not a deterrent. I'm afraid you're going to have to accept that one.

@Fortuityoh and it wasn’t self defense to because she was lured there by pike and her BF

Are they Christians? Christians believe in forgiveness not vengeance
Close relatives of the victim should not decide the fate of criminals because what they want is revenge not justice which is understandable but it's wrong.
If killing is wrong it's wrong and that includes state sanctioned killing.

Because there isn’t a magic money pot of infinite funds. Our governments decide where our taxes are spent.

So to make a direct comparison it does indeed mean that they are effectively choosing to keep a convicted murder fed and watered over providing better treatment for a cancer patient.

The point about this particular discussion is that she did not know she would inevitably get the death sentence, because it was not automatic - witness the fact that her co-accused didn't get it. She certainly didn't know the state would, one day, take her out and torture and maim her.

I claiming I do not believe a lot since the Epstein files have come out and majority of them have been redacted. I do not trust what the government or the royal family or anyone of power say when a lot of high profile names including that of a prince was sexually assaulting and abusing trafficked vulnerable young ladies from poor backgrounds for sexual gratification by a man who was allowed to be enabled and got away with it for as long as he did. So no I have lost trust in what is true or not about a lot of things and I have questioned a lot too.

I believe there are cases where the perpetrator is undeniably guilty. Are you suggesting this isn’t the case?

Like I said before now she kind of knows how it feels but in this case it wasn’t premeditated.

The problem is that in the thread underlying that post, you said she knew what was coming to her.