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Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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wouldntyouwanthelp · 06/10/2026 22:32

She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

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itispersonal · 07/10/2026 12:08

I’m against the death penalty but they carried out the penalty and she hasn’t died, so is that punishment served?? I don’t see how she can be ‘executed’ again. She either needs to be put in jail for her natural life or released.

Who will be paying her medical bills? What care is she going to require moving forward??

Vaxtable · 07/10/2026 12:10

The issue is pharmaceutical companies refuse to allow the drugs to be sold direct and I fully understand why. So you end up with old drugs which lose impotency which is what appears to have happened here.

I don’t agree with the death penalty I do agree that all prison terms should be served in full no time off for good behaviour etc and if you commit murder or other heinous crimes then you sit in a cell 23/7 I hour exercise no TV. Books etc

if the US wants the DP then they have to find a way to execute which does not involve drugs

SerendipityJane · 07/10/2026 12:14

LakieLady · 07/10/2026 12:01

And Timothy Evans, who was hung for multiple murders committed by John Christie.

Begs the question of how humane the current methods of capital punishment are.

The report from the Royal Commission examined this in forensic detail. They travelled all over the world witnessing various killings. I wonder if any MNetters would volunteer ?

There's also the hardly-ever mentioned fact that when you execute an innocent person,. you leave the real criminal free. Just ask the families of the victims that John Christie killed after Timothy Evans was executed how capital punishment worked for their relatives.

warninglivewithoutwarning · 07/10/2026 12:15

EmeraldRoulette · 06/10/2026 23:23

I don’t think they can

The pharmaceutical companies aren’t allowed to provide anything for this purpose are they? So that’s why they end up using weird shit that doesn’t work.

Doctors aren’t allowed to give a lethal injection so it’s given by people who are not experts anyway.

And if I understood it correctly, due to the condition of her veins, the drugs don’t work the way they should.

The whole thing has made me puzzle over why they do it like this tbh.

They do it this way because it seems more humane. Like putting a pet to sleep, but looks can be and are deceiving.

BugJuice · 07/10/2026 12:15

EmeraldRoulette · 06/10/2026 23:23

But if you know you’ll never get justice, you might want vengeance if that’s all you can get.

And wouldn’t 30 years on death row plus a botched execution attempt resulting in living out the rest of her life in prison while suffering from the results of the botched execution attempt be vengeance?

LadyBlueberry · 07/10/2026 12:15

Newname26 · 07/10/2026 11:23

What would you say is mitigating circumstances?

She was abused and let down her entire life.
Her boyfriend threatened her with a knife but she left he would look after her.

I've laid out, in some detail, what-in my opinion-might be mitigating circumstances up thread.

Having a bad childhood is not one of them.

Blackwidowsbite · 07/10/2026 12:16

Noodledog · 07/10/2026 12:06

So just kill them all is presumably the way to go.

serial killers, Peadophiles, child abusers and rapists yes.

Fortuity · 07/10/2026 12:17

Blackwidowsbite · 07/10/2026 10:29

They shouldn’t have been hanged but what about Ian Brady? Myra hindley? Rose west? Fred west? Harold shipman? Levi bell field?

No, they shouldn't have been hanged, because that would bring us below their levels. They should have received long prison sentences, and it is a pity that Fred West and Harold Shipman managed to avoid that.

It's also worth remembering that Brady actually wanted to die. I'm happy that he wasn't granted his wish.

SerendipityJane · 07/10/2026 12:17

LakieLady · 07/10/2026 12:01

And Timothy Evans, who was hung for multiple murders committed by John Christie.

I think the point a lot of people who support capital punishment make is that everyone has bad luck, so why should the death penalty be any exception ?

I mean to be fair it is a damn sight easier to execute the odd innocent pour encourager les autres than it is to invest in a justice system less likely to make mistakes. After all rope is cheap.

Frequency · 07/10/2026 12:17

honeyytoast · 07/10/2026 11:47

I genuinely hate being the if it was a man person, usually but when child abusers, rapists, murderers etc (who are almost always male) are in the news everyone calls for a long, drawn out torturous execution. She tortured someone to death. I’m actually against the death penalty myself, for all criminals. But I can’t help noticing some hypocrisy in attitudes here?

I guess I’m wondering if this happened to say Wayne Couzens for example, would people be saying he ‘suffered enough’? You could privately think he deserved it, but still say that this is barbaric and not right I guess. If people would genuinely treat other cases the same way then fair enough.

Hope that makes sense, not trying to start an argument but it’s odd to me.

It depends on what you mean by suffered enough? In terms of a human being subjected to state-sanctioned, ritualised torture, I would believe he has suffered too much. No one "deserves" that, and the death penalty has no place in a civilised society.

I would not believe that it would absolve him of his crimes or mean that he should be released. And I am not arguing that for Pike. She is likely far too damaged now ever to be safe for release. That doesn't mean I don't think we should have done better by her when she was 18, and I definitely don't believe we should go ahead and attempt to execute her again. In that way, she has suffered more than enough and should be allowed to live out the rest of her life, either in prison or a hospital setting. If psychologists are able to help make her safe and stable, she should be given a chance of parole, not because of what happened last week but because I believe that is the punishment she should have received 30 years ago. Sentencing an 18-year-old to life in prison with no chance of parole is wrong. Sentencing an 18-year-old to death is barbaric.

The difference between Pike and Couzen's, however, is that Couzen's doesn't have the mitigating factors of youth, extreme trauma and abuse, and brain damage. Pike does.

SerendipityJane · 07/10/2026 12:18

Noodledog · 07/10/2026 12:05

The US constitution actually specifically prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment". So much for that, I guess.

The US constitution also supports killing children with assault rifles.

Not something I feel we should aspire to, myself.

Newname26 · 07/10/2026 12:21

SilHoarderandJudged · 07/10/2026 11:54

She should never be released, but I agree with the rest of your post.

She needs support but she also needs to be kept locked away to protect others.

I agree she needs support but I don't think she will ever be stable enough to release.

American must have equivalents of UK state hospitals, effectively prison hospitals

Fortuity · 07/10/2026 12:23

Shrewsburywithanoo · 07/10/2026 10:33

boohoo
if she really wanted she could have sped up her penalty- a man did this recently, refused appeals and accepted his mandated fate.
I have no sympathy that murderers continue to live decades on so-called death row- the victim didn't have the opportunity of one more minute- that's where my sympathy lies.
Any decent person would not put their victim's family through years of appeals- then again, I guess most in this cohort don't have a great moral compass

Why should she have sped up her penalty? Her argument was that it was an unjust penalty. When you look at the fact that her boyfriend, who was guilty of worse than her and did not have the same horrific childhood, did not receive the same penalty, perhaps she had a point.

Frankly, to claim that the utter shitshow of a penal system as operated by the US is absolutely fine because people can opt to be killed quickly is really quite sick.

Fortuity · 07/10/2026 12:26

Blackwidowsbite · 07/10/2026 10:34

Would you say the same thing if your close family member or child or spouse was killed the same way as this woman killed her victim? 🧐

Would you still be quoting religious paragraphs.

As I've already said, probably not. The argument that state laws and policy should be determined on the basis of my primitive revenge instincts just does not work.

Awkwardisfunny · 07/10/2026 12:26

MissFancyDay · 07/10/2026 12:03

I think there are more than enough reasons to block another attempt of this were to be taking place is a civilised society, which the U.S.A obviously isn't.

Like it or not prisoners have rights, we have laws relating to how we treat people, even the worse people who have seemingly given up all their right to be treated properly. We don't execute them in public or not feed them. We are civilised.

This woman has been abused since she was born, and been on death row for 30 years. Then she was put through the torture of knowing she was to be executed, knowing (or fearing with good reason) that it was going to go wrong) and having it botched. Now possibly losing an arm. She should now live out her life in prison.

Personally, at this point, I'd rather they finished the job if not setting me free.

I didn't say I agreed with her being executed in the first place, but that's a different argument. If sticking to the rationale for this issue and this issue only: I do not see a valid reason not to carry out the execution as originally ordered. Otherwise: that country needs to change its laws so it applies to everyone, just not one person.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 07/10/2026 12:26

You can hold several things in you mind.

You can remember the victim and the horrifying end she suffered at the hands of the three perpetrators (including SP).

You can remember that CP was a teenager with an abusive childhood (a ground of appeal as apparently not mentioned by defence counsel at trial).

And you can acknowledge the incredible state bungling and degrading and inhuman punishment of CP, in the end a victim herself.

And of course OP is not being unreasonable to (rhetorically?) ask: "Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ?" - not least because Tennessee itself has imposed a moratorium on this method of execution pending an investigation!

MissFancyDay · 07/10/2026 12:30

Awkwardisfunny · 07/10/2026 12:26

Personally, at this point, I'd rather they finished the job if not setting me free.

I didn't say I agreed with her being executed in the first place, but that's a different argument. If sticking to the rationale for this issue and this issue only: I do not see a valid reason not to carry out the execution as originally ordered. Otherwise: that country needs to change its laws so it applies to everyone, just not one person.

The valid reason is that the cruel and unusual punishment has been overstepped. The treatment has become inhumane.

Fortuity · 07/10/2026 12:30

climbintheback · 07/10/2026 10:35

She would have been out after 10-15 years in UK

I doubt it. She would have received a sentence with a minimum period defined by the judge, and whether she was eligible for parole after that would be decided by a parole board and dependent on matters such as her behaviour in prison and whether she was deemed to be a danger to the public. That in turn would probably depend on whether it had been possible to treat her effectively to overcome the damage caused to her by her horrific childhood.

Violinist64 · 07/10/2026 12:31

There has been a lot of discussion about the sickening abuse she suffered as a child - where were the authorities then? - but what about the Foetal Alcohol Syndrome? It causes learning difficulties and lack of impulse control, which alongside the abuse, was a deadly combination. Surely the best punishment and treatment from the outset would have been a secure psychiatric hospital such as the American equivalent of Broadmoor.

fashionqueen0123 · 07/10/2026 12:32

Blackwidowsbite · 07/10/2026 12:03

But then what happens when that prison gets full? Where do the newest murderers and rapists, Peadophiles and child abusers go?

Ive read that criminals are being released early because of the lack of ‘space’ in prison.

USA prisons don't exactly have tons of space. They often sleep in dormitories! The death penalty doesn't help with that.

Newname26 · 07/10/2026 12:32

LadyBlueberry · 07/10/2026 12:15

I've laid out, in some detail, what-in my opinion-might be mitigating circumstances up thread.

Having a bad childhood is not one of them.

Edited

Sorry I actually can't see what you have said you'd consider mitigating circumstances?

She was abused sexually and physically her entire life, not protected by anyone. 2 stranger rapes as well as the rapes by family.

I actually can't imagine life getting much worse.

So what would you regard as mitigating circumstances

Yetanotherone12 · 07/10/2026 12:34

SerendipityJane · 07/10/2026 12:17

I think the point a lot of people who support capital punishment make is that everyone has bad luck, so why should the death penalty be any exception ?

I mean to be fair it is a damn sight easier to execute the odd innocent pour encourager les autres than it is to invest in a justice system less likely to make mistakes. After all rope is cheap.

It’s the Charlie Kirk principle isn’t it.

the deaths of innocent people is an acceptable consequence of gun ownership/the death penalty.

i want my revenge/these people punished, therefore i find it ok if a few people die undeservedly as a consequence.

Blackwidowsbite · 07/10/2026 12:37

To the people also quoting wrongful hangings back in the 50’s and before, yes it’s unfortunate that this happened to the wrong people and it is sad that their lives were taken wrongfully for a crime they did not commit but these days the technology with DNA testing and forensic science is far, far more developed and advanced than it was back then not to mention CCTV is in majority of places these days too, The last known serial killer arrested was Rex heuermann back in 2023 because of the new advanced DNA testing and analysis.

Awkwardisfunny · 07/10/2026 12:39

MissFancyDay · 07/10/2026 12:30

The valid reason is that the cruel and unusual punishment has been overstepped. The treatment has become inhumane.

Could you elaborate? Are you arguing that an execution is only not-cruel if it succeeds? (Put aside if you're against execution in the first place, please).

If that's your stance, then are you saying if it fails, then the failure was cruel and unusual punishment? Because I think cruel and unusual (as a legal defence) refers to deliberate actions.. if I'm right, then a failed execution (as long as not deliberate) wouldn't qualify.

A second attempt can't qualify because it's just carrying out the original sentence.

What's the legal argument?

If a failed attempt is cruel and unusual punishment then you could never risk another failure and would have to ban all executions, surely?

Awkwardisfunny · 07/10/2026 12:39

MissFancyDay · 07/10/2026 12:30

The valid reason is that the cruel and unusual punishment has been overstepped. The treatment has become inhumane.

Could you elaborate? Are you arguing that an execution is only not-cruel if it succeeds? (Put aside if you're against execution in the first place, please).

If that's your stance, then are you saying if it fails, then the failure was cruel and unusual punishment? Because I think cruel and unusual (as a legal defence) refers to deliberate actions.. if I'm right, then a failed execution (as long as not deliberate) wouldn't qualify.

A second attempt can't qualify because it's just carrying out the original sentence.

What's the legal argument?

If a failed attempt is cruel and unusual punishment then you could never risk another failure and would have to ban all executions, surely?

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