Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

This was planned to happen. Anyone putting an iv line in a person knows to check it before hand to make sure it is a working cannula. Very simple to check. To have so many cannulas in her that not one single one doesn’t work is a deliberate attempt to have her not die. I don’t know for what reason they would do this but the global attention it has received it has worked.

I have a funny feeling that there is a purpose to this "failure".

It doesn't make medical sense at all.

God I'd missed the bit about the slaughter house.
The boyfriend who threatened her with a knife was the only person who'd cared about her.

What a fucked up life.

I really don't. I know it's an extreme example, but suppose they said, for example, that they want to be able to go and torture that person every day for the rest of their life? Are we going to stand back and allow that?

I fully recognise that, if my child were murdered, I would want the worst of retribution for their killer. Fortunately laws and policies are not decided by people's primitive revenge instincts, otherwise we would never have progressed beyond outright savagery.

Just like she killed and tortured that woman in cold blood. Just because she was abused as a toddler/child doesn’t give her a free pass to kill someone?

Hanging often fails. The idea of hanging is that the drop kills you from a broken neck immediately but there have been many botched hangings whereby the victim has taken over 20 minutes to die, and was conscious throughout the slow strangulation.

If the law says murder is wrong, then killing by the state is also wrong.

Christa Pike looked like a child during her trial, she was 18 at the time of the offence. The trial was far from fair and legally left much to be desired in that mitigation was poorly presented and other factors not presented at all. The point is that had the jury heard all the facts about Christa Pikes life up to that point, it was highly unlikely the jury would have called for the death penalty.

So you have an unfair trial, a severely emotionally damaged accused suffering from PTSD and undiagnosed bipolar disorder who had been sexually abused and who was the victim of rape. She has served 30 years under threat of her life being forfeit, and now will suffer life changing injuries due to two severely botched execution attempts.

Is this justice or inhuman and degrading treatment that ensures a further victim.

It is horrendous.

It's yet another reason I will never travel to the USA whilst any state has the death penalty.

She was taught from a young age that adults can abuse and torture people as much as they like without consequence. The state chose to turn a blind eye to her abuse and return her to her family. She had never known love or safety and had been told by the state that her family is safe, so when she felt wronged she acted in a way that was similar to the treatment she recieved, which the state told her was normal. What she did is horrific but nobody showed her a different way of living.

I posted about smothering her but was being sarcastic in response to someone posting that they should try to execute her by lethal injection again. I fervently oppose capital punishment.

I don’t care what Buddhists think.

Then stop hijacking, corrupting and misapplying their philosophies. Use a correct term. "Personal modern day vengeance god" will do nicely.

I’ve not invested into researching the figures of failed executions because personally I do not care

You clearly care deeply about people getting the death penalty, so one can only guess at why you don't care about any further information about it.

I realise that you don't care, but do you understand that even if you believe something, that doesn't make it true? And that just because you don't care doesn't mean it isn't important? And that refusing to find out anything further about it doesn't strengthen your argument, such as it is?

This. Very few of us can begin to comprehend the horror of her childhood.

I understand that, but still she would have known wrong from right as she grew up, torturing and murdering someone isn’t right. There are a lot of people in the world who have had really shitty childhoods but they don’t all end up murdering and torturing someone.

No I don’t care about all that when someone has murdered and tortured someone and then people come on to a thread on this site and start defending her and giving excuses for her extremely bad and sickening choices in life because her execution has gone wrong, she should be dead she’s not? She still gets to live? Her victim doesn’t, the victims family and friends still suffering to this day. It’s all wrong.

I think 3 unsuccessful attempts is considered divine intervention. I don't know why unless each person of the Trinity intervenes separately. Commuting to life without parole would be suitable now, I think. You cannot torture even murderers to death.

No, the state didn't unlawfully and without provocation kill three innocent men, and plot to (and enact) stabbing a corrections officer in an escape attempt. It is not 'morally no better'. What an outlandish thing to say.

What the state did was unintentionally botch the lawful killing of a multiple murderer, so that he suffered for at the most 60 seconds, before dying. Most of us have probably felt much worse during labour, and I think it's weird to wring one's hands over the moment of suffering a multiple murderer faced before dying.

As I understand it there were several problems using lethal injection in this particular case.
The prisoner's veins were blown/scarred/inacessible due to her having a blood condition.
Medical professionals were not used to perform the injection(s) because no medical professional would ever agree to do it on the grounds of ethics.
An experienced phlebotomist would have been able to find a suitable vein even if it was in her ankle or another part of the body.
It also appears that the drug was degraded.
All this points to a poor choice of method.

But death should be swift, not sitting years on death row wondering if today is the last day, nor being injected with poison multiple times until it kills you. Be certain of the verdict, however, before you kill anyone. Death is a thing which cannot be commuted once enacted. (Remembering both David Bentley and Ruth Evans in the UK, neither of whom should have hanged.)

100% I agree with this it should be swift and she shouldn’t have been sitting on death row for the years she had, I agree. I think if you’re on death row the longest you wait should be 6-12 months max. Unfortunately for this monster she survived two lethal injections. When she should have been cremated or buried by now. I also agree that before you are given the death penalty there should be evidence that proves there is no doubt they committed the crime. In this case she was guilty and the evidence was there so it’s not even like they was 90% sure.

They shouldn’t have been hanged but what about Ian Brady? Myra hindley? Rose west? Fred west? Harold shipman? Levi bell field?

Because, happily, we have moved beyond "an eye for an eye" revenge. It is utterly hypocritical to say "Thou shalt not kill, but it's fine for us to kill you".

Hanging often fails.

Incorrect.
Modern Judicial Hanging (Post-1872) UK: Close to 0% failure rate. Following the introduction of the "Long Drop" (or measured drop) by William Marwood in 1872, executioners used strict mathematical formulas combining the prisoner's weight and height to ensure instantaneous death from a broken neck. Under this standardized system, a completely failed hanging (where the prisoner survived) was virtually nonexistent.
For comparison, extensive data tracked by the Death Penalty Information Center on US executions from 1890 to 2010 found that hanging had a 3.12% botched rate.

If you don't know care about the words you use, and you don't know or care about pertinent information regarding the penalties you wish to inflict... if, indeed, you don't know or care about anything except how you feel and what you believe, with no interest in expanding your knowledge, then it's completely pointless having any kind of exchange with you.

However, not knowing or caring is generally the only way to justify the state killing its citizens, and thinking it's a good thing when it can't even do it competently.

Reminds me of that old joke..

What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

No it doesn’t.

but it doesn’t give the state a free pass to torture and kill either.

boohoo
if she really wanted she could have sped up her penalty- a man did this recently, refused appeals and accepted his mandated fate.
I have no sympathy that murderers continue to live decades on so-called death row- the victim didn't have the opportunity of one more minute- that's where my sympathy lies.
Any decent person would not put their victim's family through years of appeals- then again, I guess most in this cohort don't have a great moral compass

Would you say the same thing if your close family member or child or spouse was killed the same way as this woman killed her victim? 🧐

Would you still be quoting religious paragraphs.

I have been against the death penalty for many years and I think that the American Death Row system is the most inhumane in the world of all the countries that still have the death penalty. When we had the death penalty in this country, the execution took place one month after sentencing and there could be one appeal during that month. The Death Row system has people languishing for years and it is psychological torture, not only for those who have been sentenced but their victims. There have also been many innocent people on Death Row, too. In this case, Christa Pike is guilty of horrendous crimes but, surely, a whole life sentence with no hope of release would be a more fitting punishment.