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More Councils to trial 4 day week for 5 days pay

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mrsm43s · Yesterday 09:31

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/green-party-four-day-working-week-lambeth-council-lewisham-hackney-b1299448.html

So what do you think about this? Apparently in South Cambs, the trial was successful leading to cost savings snd improved staff satisfaction, and is now a permanent arrangement.

Personally, I'm all for it, but must admit it's because I work for a local authority, and the more councils that adopt this, then the more likely I am to benefit from it in the future. That said, as a Council tax payer, I can understand people being upset at ever rising CT bills when staff are being handed a free day off a week.

Green-led London council planning to introduce a four-day working week

Lambeth Council leader says borough ‘pushing ahead’ with trial for its employees in London , while other Green councils in London are also looking at the policy

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/green-party-four-day-working-week-lambeth-council-lewisham-hackney-b1299448.html

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Goatsarebest · Yesterday 23:26

And if you need another 52 days off above the 140 to 150 a year you are getting to avoid burn out on 7 to 8 hour days, there's a bigger problem.

Goatsarebest · Yesterday 23:28

likelysuspect · Yesterday 20:59

Do you still work and if so what bit of public sector?

No. Retired this year. Worked in local authorities and then public sector in Ireland.

KnickerlessParsons · Yesterday 23:42

prinkleman · Yesterday 09:35

I love this idea but I’m curious:
if you worked 4 days before and got 4/5 pay, do you now get paid full time?
Does everyone who is part time get paid more as there week is divided by 4 instead of 5?

Good point!

Goatsarebest · Today 00:02

mrsm43s · Yesterday 20:32

In my experience LA staff don't slack, they generally work very hard. Being able to fill vacant posts, less time spent recruiting and training, less time onboarding agency staff and working with new/agency staff that don't know the ropes, better continuity of service for clients and less transferring of caseloads with staff needing to familiarise themselves with cases previously msnaged by someone else will all be ways that services can be cheaper, more efficient and better for residents whilst also taking less time to deliver. Not to mention saving the costs of burnt out staff going off sick with all the associated management time and agency cover costs as well as sick pay and ill health retirfment costs.

You see this is the BS that supports the fallacy.
South Cambridgeshire Distric Council don't have 'case loads' to transfer. They dont provide social or adult care services or child services. They don't have high training and professional development needs.
Their employee 'burn out risk' that requires another 52 days rest a year:
From their website:
Bin collection and recycling services
Council Tax and benefits
Planning and Building Control
Community sports and wellbeing
Cost of living support and advice
Environmental Care Services
Nature and sustainable living and action on climate change
Election Services and Information
And business and event licensing

What expensive Agency staff need to cover these services during high employee absence. There's few, if any Statutory Services there that are time critical as we wait for burnt out staff to return.
You can easily measure outputs on those and say nothing changed. How do we know if anything changed in the cost of living and advice service they provide. It will be numbers of contacts. Guess what? It is. Anyone measure if the cost of living service is now better, worse, or the same. Who knows. Who knows how to even measure it other than contact numbers.
The PS is fundamental different to the Private Sector and studies can not be transposed between them. The PS can, and does, manipulate it's 'performance' by a focus on outputs and not outcomes.
The above Services are valuable, don't get me wrong and I've been involved in these types of services myself and they have significant impacts for lical communities. But to say taking 20 percent of the time away from providing them will have no impact on the service provided, is just not true.

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