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AIBU to reconsider a long friendship over support for education tax?

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CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 10:46

A close friend of over 15 years last night unashamedly said she supported the children’s education tax. To put this in context, she is godmother to my ds and has seen first hand what damage this has done to children and families as well as her own sister losing her job when the school closed. She had maybe drank too much and has apologised over text this morning, but I really can’t shake the feeling that I don’t want to be around her.
AIBU -try and move past it
YANBU -it’s run it’s time

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CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 15:49

Interestingnamesuggestion · 03/10/2026 15:42

What's sad is that most posters here (and people in general) agree with the VAT because they believe it's increasing funds available for state schools. Which isn't the case.

Many posters don’t seem to grasp the basics of the policy. All Labour had to do was do a bit of envy stoking, mention Eton, say tax loophole a few times and people happily gave up their right to a tax free education for their children.

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CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 15:52

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2026 15:24

YABU for using the term 'the children’s education tax'.

There's no such thing.

Okay, but ‘Education and vocational training tax of those aged between 5 and 18’ is a bit of a mouthful

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WildLeader · 03/10/2026 15:54

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 10:58

No, what removal of ‘charitable tax breaks’ on private schools ? I’m talking about the 20% tax on paying for children’s non state education. You sound a bit like her last night.

Oh dear.

looks like you needed to pay more attention at school yourself eh?

this IS the removal of charitable status from private schools that absolutely were NOT charities set up for the public good.

the 20% you’re having to pay now is as a result of the law being changed to recognise it for what it was; a loophole to benefit an elite group of people.

ilovesooty · 03/10/2026 15:54

MellowSubmarine · 03/10/2026 14:32

This person is godmother to your child, so presumably a really close friend who you’ve known a long time. Obviously you can do what you like but I think it’s a bit mad to think about ending such a friendship over this.

And she still hasn't said whether she intends to be honest in ending the friendship.

ElfAndSafetyBored · 03/10/2026 15:54

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 12:23

Some schools are businesses who pay corporation tax and some are lovely non profit organisations who exists solely to provide education to children (the utter b@stards). It is a choice you are correct, a choice that has been removed for lots of families. Your comment reveals the malice behind hurting other people’s children because you are unhappy with your life.

Edited

This is a genuine question just so I can better inform myself.

Can anyone give me an example of a genuinely not for profit school that purely exists for the education of children please?

And apologies if there are 100’s and I am ignorant.

REDB99 · 03/10/2026 15:55

Goodness the OP has been on this all day 😂 and still no one agrees with her. Why don’t you spend the day with your children instead of repeatedly typing the same thing into a chat forum? You must be very bored (as well as very angry).

MyWilly · 03/10/2026 15:55

Why tax education simply because it's privately provided?

Larsaleaping · 03/10/2026 15:56

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 15:49

Many posters don’t seem to grasp the basics of the policy. All Labour had to do was do a bit of envy stoking, mention Eton, say tax loophole a few times and people happily gave up their right to a tax free education for their children.

They still have that right. They're just choosing not to use it.

Greenleavesandsunshine · 03/10/2026 15:57

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 15:32

Yes but as I keep saying, she’s not some typical ignorant tax anyone as long as it’s not me/easily manipulated politics of envy type, she’s fully aware what the policy is and its consequences (she’s seen it first hand).

I really hope you have a very, very well insulated bubble. You clearly despise anyone who doesn’t agree with a wide range of policies. Anyone, not agreeing with you is “easily manipulated”…
Just read this thread, there are many clear headed, detailed posts from people with an excellent understanding who don’t agree with you.

People like you in your bubble who can’t see outside it - on both left and right - are who scare me.

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 16:00

Becas4 · 03/10/2026 15:49

Read your own link! The first paragraph states it’s a tax on private schools.
it is not a tax on education as a whole.

It a no point says it’s a tax on private schools, because it isn’t!! Jesus wept. The tax is on the children’s education.

It says tax is now payable on education services provided by private schools, private means non government funded and school is an institution where children are educated. So a tax on education provided to children by any non government funded organisation. A tax on children’s education.

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Wishihadanalgorithm · 03/10/2026 16:00

Your friend is perfectly entitled to her opinion. And you are entitled to yours.

VAT on school fees (not the removal of charitable status as not all indies have charitable status) is a very real and emotive subject for many people affected negatively by the tax. It may be enough for you to step away from your friend for a short while and then see how the land lies in a month or so. Or, this may be a line crossed and you can’t ever see her in the light as a friend again.

Only you can decide. For me, I’d have a little break from her and see how much you miss her.

Greenleavesandsunshine · 03/10/2026 16:00

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 15:49

Many posters don’t seem to grasp the basics of the policy. All Labour had to do was do a bit of envy stoking, mention Eton, say tax loophole a few times and people happily gave up their right to a tax free education for their children.

People do understand it they just don’t agree with you. Your total refusal to engage with the opinions of others and just dismissing them out of hand really is the sign of a limited ability to think and evaluate. You dismiss others as ignorant while demonstrating many of the traits of the truly ignorant. Stop shouting at people and engage with the argument.

WildLeader · 03/10/2026 16:00

This bollocks term “politics of envy” spouted forth by the so called wealthy is tiresome.

its not envy, its an attempt to increase fairness and inject money that really should be in the public purse. Declaring a selective or private school a charity is such an obvious ruse to avoid tax. Schools aren’t charities.

all sorts of people have to pay VAT on all kinds of items in life that are deemed as a luxury. Ie more basic options exist, but these are more luxurious. State vs private schools is exactly this scenario.

you just don’t like paying more, even though you can.

I think that’s the politics of meanness. <shrug>

AnswerIsNo · 03/10/2026 16:02

Winter42 · 03/10/2026 15:22

We understand.

It is VAT which is paid on goods and services. Private schools offer a service which you can choose to purchase and so you pay VAT like on any other service.

I am also pretty sure in most cases the children themselves are not paying the fees.

are you really saying that you never earned £30k a year from your Sunday paper round to pay your entrance fees with and on the walk to school with Horace, made the corner shop split a £50 note to pay for a 20p pick n mix ??

MyWilly · 03/10/2026 16:02

Fairness is allowing parents to make their own choices..not taxing and punishing choices

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 16:02

Greenleavesandsunshine · 03/10/2026 15:57

I really hope you have a very, very well insulated bubble. You clearly despise anyone who doesn’t agree with a wide range of policies. Anyone, not agreeing with you is “easily manipulated”…
Just read this thread, there are many clear headed, detailed posts from people with an excellent understanding who don’t agree with you.

People like you in your bubble who can’t see outside it - on both left and right - are who scare me.

Not really, I think people who want to tax children’s education are at best easily manipulated and misguided and at worst motivated by malice and spite towards children. I don’t like people like that.

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ThatCosy · 03/10/2026 16:02

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 11:58

Quite clearly, the type of person who thinks a 20% tax on children’s education is a good things. A pretty thick and spiteful type of person.

Do her a favour and stay well away from her.

Jane143 · 03/10/2026 16:03

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 11:28

Well that’s the thing really, it’s quite laughable how ridiculous it is. Some people seem to think it’s a tax on private schools rather than children. But like I say my friend understands fully what it is, she unashamedly announced last night that the children’s education tax is good thing, it’s hard to take her seriously after that.

Maybe it IS a good thing though? Who are you or anyone else to judge?

Greenleavesandsunshine · 03/10/2026 16:05

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 16:02

Not really, I think people who want to tax children’s education are at best easily manipulated and misguided and at worst motivated by malice and spite towards children. I don’t like people like that.

Thank you for proving my point so conclusively. I now hope you are a troll getting a kick out of winding people up because if you are real this (your ex friend) poor woman needs to see the red flag and run for the hills.

Stopbeingsoridiculous · 03/10/2026 16:05

No — the evidence so far does not show a flood of private-school closures after VAT was introduced in January 2025. And yes, state-school funding has increased, although there is an important caveat about saying that a particular pound of VAT revenue has been directly transferred to schools.
What has actually happened to private schools?
The latest government figures are surprisingly clear:

Academic year

Private schools closing

Long-term average before the change

75 a year

2024/25

60

2025/26

67

closures since the tax change have actually been below the 20-year historical average. The government also says 106 new private schools opened in England during 2024/25.

That doesn’t mean VAT hasn’t hurt individual schools. Some schools that were already financially marginal have closed, and there is legitimate disagreement about whether VAT was the final straw in particular cases. But the national numbers don’t support the claim that VAT has produced a widespread collapse of the sector.
There has, however, been a noticeable reduction in pupils. The Independent Schools Council’s comparable sample showed about 13,500 fewer pupils (-2.4%) between January 2024 and January 2025, with particularly large falls in new-entry years such as Reception, Year 3 and Year 7.

How much money has it raised?
The original Treasury/OBR estimate was:
£460m in 2024/25 → £1.505bn in 2025/26 → £1.725bn a year by 2029/30.
By November 2025 the OBR had actually revised the expected receipts slightly upwards, by about £40m a year on average, with early tax receipts supporting the original assumptions about pupil movements.
There’s also a subtle point about the “20% VAT”. Schools can reclaim VAT on many of their costs, so the Treasury estimates the effective VAT liability at about 15% of fee income, not 20%. It originally expected average fees to rise by around 10%, although individual schools have responded very differently.
Has that money actually benefited state schools?
Yes in the broad public-finance sense, but you can’t trace the VAT receipts directly to a particular school’s budget.
VAT goes into general government revenues rather than into a ring-fenced “state schools VAT fund”. The government says the revenue is being used to support public services including state education.
And state-school funding has increased substantially:
2024/25: £61.6bn
2025/26: £65.3bn
2026/27: £67.0bn
So that’s a £5.4bn increase in the core schools budget over two years. The government explicitly links the removal of private-school tax exemptions to helping finance public services and state education, but it wouldn’t be accurate to say that the entire £3.7bn or £1.7bn increases came from private-school VAT.

There is also a cost on the other side of the ledger. The Treasury estimates that eventually about 35,000 additional children will attend state schools because of the policy, costing around £270m a year. Against projected VAT receipts of roughly £1.7bn, that still leaves a substantial net contribution to the Exchequer.

So, as of October 2026, the emerging picture is quite different from some of the predictions when the policy was announced: private schools haven’t closed en masse, pupil numbers have fallen modestly, and the tax appears to be raising roughly the amount anticipated.

Sorry OP. You can’t argue with the facts!
It was a worthwhile tax that caused little damage to the sector and has raised significant revenue to fund both state education and public services. I call that a win win … don’t let facts get in the way of your righteous indignation though. !

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2026 16:06

CoconutRumcake · 03/10/2026 15:52

Okay, but ‘Education and vocational training tax of those aged between 5 and 18’ is a bit of a mouthful

Get a grip.

JoSFry · 03/10/2026 16:11

Stopbeingsoridiculous · 03/10/2026 16:05

No — the evidence so far does not show a flood of private-school closures after VAT was introduced in January 2025. And yes, state-school funding has increased, although there is an important caveat about saying that a particular pound of VAT revenue has been directly transferred to schools.
What has actually happened to private schools?
The latest government figures are surprisingly clear:

Academic year

Private schools closing

Long-term average before the change

75 a year

2024/25

60

2025/26

67

closures since the tax change have actually been below the 20-year historical average. The government also says 106 new private schools opened in England during 2024/25.

That doesn’t mean VAT hasn’t hurt individual schools. Some schools that were already financially marginal have closed, and there is legitimate disagreement about whether VAT was the final straw in particular cases. But the national numbers don’t support the claim that VAT has produced a widespread collapse of the sector.
There has, however, been a noticeable reduction in pupils. The Independent Schools Council’s comparable sample showed about 13,500 fewer pupils (-2.4%) between January 2024 and January 2025, with particularly large falls in new-entry years such as Reception, Year 3 and Year 7.

How much money has it raised?
The original Treasury/OBR estimate was:
£460m in 2024/25 → £1.505bn in 2025/26 → £1.725bn a year by 2029/30.
By November 2025 the OBR had actually revised the expected receipts slightly upwards, by about £40m a year on average, with early tax receipts supporting the original assumptions about pupil movements.
There’s also a subtle point about the “20% VAT”. Schools can reclaim VAT on many of their costs, so the Treasury estimates the effective VAT liability at about 15% of fee income, not 20%. It originally expected average fees to rise by around 10%, although individual schools have responded very differently.
Has that money actually benefited state schools?
Yes in the broad public-finance sense, but you can’t trace the VAT receipts directly to a particular school’s budget.
VAT goes into general government revenues rather than into a ring-fenced “state schools VAT fund”. The government says the revenue is being used to support public services including state education.
And state-school funding has increased substantially:
2024/25: £61.6bn
2025/26: £65.3bn
2026/27: £67.0bn
So that’s a £5.4bn increase in the core schools budget over two years. The government explicitly links the removal of private-school tax exemptions to helping finance public services and state education, but it wouldn’t be accurate to say that the entire £3.7bn or £1.7bn increases came from private-school VAT.

There is also a cost on the other side of the ledger. The Treasury estimates that eventually about 35,000 additional children will attend state schools because of the policy, costing around £270m a year. Against projected VAT receipts of roughly £1.7bn, that still leaves a substantial net contribution to the Exchequer.

So, as of October 2026, the emerging picture is quite different from some of the predictions when the policy was announced: private schools haven’t closed en masse, pupil numbers have fallen modestly, and the tax appears to be raising roughly the amount anticipated.

Sorry OP. You can’t argue with the facts!
It was a worthwhile tax that caused little damage to the sector and has raised significant revenue to fund both state education and public services. I call that a win win … don’t let facts get in the way of your righteous indignation though. !

• The “106 new private schools opened” figure needs some fairly important context. That is a count of new registrations/openings, not the net change in ordinary fee-paying schools.
• DfE figures show that between January 2025 and January 2026, the total number of independent schools in England increased from 2,456 to 2,497, a net increase of 41.
• But that increase was entirely driven by special schools. Independent special schools increased from 803 to 891, a net increase of 88, while mainstream independent schools fell from 1,653 to 1,606, a net decrease of 47.
• Looking over two years makes the distinction even clearer. From January 2024 to January 2026, mainstream independent schools fell from 1,693 to 1,606, down 87, while independent special schools increased from 728 to 891, up 163.
• So citing “106 new private schools opened” without mentioning this distinction gives a misleading impression of what is happening. The total independent-school count has risen, but the mainstream independent-school count has fallen.

Goatsarebest · 03/10/2026 16:11

Differentforgirls · 03/10/2026 12:50

The schools don't have to charge the parents VAT.

This is a good point. Private schools can now reclaim vat on a significant number of their expenses, including significant capital build costs going back a number of years. So those savings can be passed onto parents to reduce fees to a level that the new level and VAT is the same as they are paying now, or at least split the extra costs. Why are schools just adding it to fees without recognising the significant VAT rebates they are now entitled to. This is in effect just culling the poorly run and managed private schools.

randomchap · 03/10/2026 16:11

MyWilly · 03/10/2026 16:02

Fairness is allowing parents to make their own choices..not taxing and punishing choices

They can still choose. It's not been banned. Obviously

SqueezieWeegie · 03/10/2026 16:12

Ah, all those poor kids from Eton down the mine at 5am to earn some pennies to pay their tax.

Boo hoo.

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