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AIBU to encourage my 18-year-old daughter to claim Universal Credit?

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ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 13:06

My daughter is 18 and no longer in education. She currently as a job (7.5 hours per week) and is waiting to start another job pending DBS checks. I advised her to make a claim for UC at the beginning of September before she was offered this position. She had to go to a meeting at the job centre this morning to start the claim and weekly check in video calls until she starts the job. This won’t be fixed hours as it is a bank staff role.
She has made such a fuss about it saying it is pointless basically acting like claiming is beneath her! We don’t charge her any board and don’t intend to after she earns more either but I have explained that technically we could. I just think it’s important to claim if she is eligible and also explained about NI contributions for when she gets older. I have explained that at some point the hope will be that she is earning enough that she doesn’t need to claim but for now she should.
Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Swanned · Yesterday 15:35

She should hold out for her DBS and start working asap. No, she shouldn’t claim.

Spacecowboys · Yesterday 15:44

Yanbu.
Dc is currently looking for a job post sixth form, to earn some money while deciding on next steps. He has applied for over 30 jobs this month and has got only two interviews out of all those applications. He just wants to work to earn some money.
If he is unsuccessful with the upcoming interviews, I will suggest a universal credit claim.
The amount for a single 18 year old is tiny. £300 (ish) a month certainly wouldn't be enough money for most people to think oh I needn't bother with a job now. You'd get more than that working less than 12 hours a week. But you have to get a job in the first place, it's difficult.

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:46

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 15:26

But she doesn’t need clothes for an interview or train fare? You’ve already said she’s got a job just waiting for the DBS.

what a waste of her own time and money applying for jobs she can’t get to.

look op - it’s very clear you plan on getting her to get this money. You are just here is the hope that others do the same, so that you can feel better knowing that others are also taking from a pot they don’t need. Pointless responding.

It was meant hypothetically.

The claim was originally made before the job which requires the DBS was applied for. No set hours given, it could be one shift a week.

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ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:51

Spacecowboys · Yesterday 15:44

Yanbu.
Dc is currently looking for a job post sixth form, to earn some money while deciding on next steps. He has applied for over 30 jobs this month and has got only two interviews out of all those applications. He just wants to work to earn some money.
If he is unsuccessful with the upcoming interviews, I will suggest a universal credit claim.
The amount for a single 18 year old is tiny. £300 (ish) a month certainly wouldn't be enough money for most people to think oh I needn't bother with a job now. You'd get more than that working less than 12 hours a week. But you have to get a job in the first place, it's difficult.

Good luck to your son with his interviews, I hope that he does well.

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Sunbringer · Yesterday 15:56

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:19

I have explained about this point, if people think we should be encouraging her to pay board we will now consider it.
Not fun money as such, what about if she needed new clothes to attend an interview or train fare?
She has also applied for quite a few positions even ones that are totally unsuitable such as cleaning jobs at 6am in the morning 45 minutes drive away when she doesn’t drive! By some people’s standards I should be taking her to these jobs without question or consideration for my other commitments!

Edited

That’s your job to provide not the tax payers.

WearingBeautifulShoes · Yesterday 15:57

dreamingofgoodhair · Yesterday 15:04

Sounds like she doesn’t need it currently.
As someone else said , just because she can doesn’t mean she should.

I honestly don't understand this view. If she's eligible and entitled to the money, why on earth wouldn't she claim it? The OP's DD claiming the money has no impact on others who are also eligible also being able to claim if they wish. She already has one part time job and another hopefully due to start soon, so it's not as if claiming a few hundred £ of UC - again, assuming she is actually entitled to it - is some kind of gateway drug to - shock horror - a life on benefits.

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:57

Sunbringer · Yesterday 15:56

That’s your job to provide not the tax payers.

I am a tax payer!

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Vivi0 · Yesterday 15:58

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:57

I am a tax payer!

But she’s your child.

WearingBeautifulShoes · Yesterday 15:59

Swanned · Yesterday 15:35

She should hold out for her DBS and start working asap. No, she shouldn’t claim.

But why not, if she's entitled to a bit of extra money in the meantime?

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:59

Vivi0 · Yesterday 15:58

But she’s your child.

Edited

Legally she is an adult and so any claim she is making is in her own right not as a dependent.

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Vivi0 · Yesterday 16:01

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:59

Legally she is an adult and so any claim she is making is in her own right not as a dependent.

She is still your 18 year old child.

I can’t wrap my head around someone wanting their 18 year old child to claim benefits over just continuing the same support you offered her when she was 17.

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 16:02

WearingBeautifulShoes · Yesterday 15:57

I honestly don't understand this view. If she's eligible and entitled to the money, why on earth wouldn't she claim it? The OP's DD claiming the money has no impact on others who are also eligible also being able to claim if they wish. She already has one part time job and another hopefully due to start soon, so it's not as if claiming a few hundred £ of UC - again, assuming she is actually entitled to it - is some kind of gateway drug to - shock horror - a life on benefits.

Edited

Exactly my point, thank you.
I have always claimed what we are entitled to such as 30 hours free childcare and child benefit. By some people’s regards on here I shouldn’t have claimed those as I don’t need them apparently.

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Notmycircusnotmyotter · Yesterday 16:03

I don't see why the taxpayer should be giving her money when she has no bills

Notmycircusnotmyotter · Yesterday 16:03

I hate this entitlement culture

Spacecowboys · Yesterday 16:05

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 15:57

I am a tax payer!

Just ignore it op.
Bottom line is that 18 year olds who are unemployed/ struggling to find work can claim a small amount of uc.

MixedBananas · Yesterday 16:05

She has no bills and lives with adults rent free. It is an abuse of entitlement.
I lived at home with my parents after end of DV marriage with only £100 to my name. But rent free and bill free until I got full time employment. I did Bank work at the hospital for 3 months before being made perm full time hours. I did not claim a penny from anyone.

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 16:05

Vivi0 · Yesterday 16:01

She is still your 18 year old child.

I can’t wrap my head around someone wanting their 18 year old child to claim benefits over just continuing the same support you offered her when she was 17.

Yes and she is still supported very much so. She does not go without. Seems we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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Swanned · Yesterday 16:07

Why should my taxes buy YOUR child clothes or YOUR child a train ticket. You as parents need to sub her, then she can pay you back once she’s employed.

WearingBeautifulShoes · Yesterday 16:09

MixedBananas · Yesterday 16:05

She has no bills and lives with adults rent free. It is an abuse of entitlement.
I lived at home with my parents after end of DV marriage with only £100 to my name. But rent free and bill free until I got full time employment. I did Bank work at the hospital for 3 months before being made perm full time hours. I did not claim a penny from anyone.

That was your choice. If you were legally eligible to claim for benefits during that time, you could have chosen to do so with an entirely clear conscience. It doesn't make you morally superior because you chose not to imo.

Spacecowboys · Yesterday 16:11

MixedBananas · Yesterday 16:05

She has no bills and lives with adults rent free. It is an abuse of entitlement.
I lived at home with my parents after end of DV marriage with only £100 to my name. But rent free and bill free until I got full time employment. I did Bank work at the hospital for 3 months before being made perm full time hours. I did not claim a penny from anyone.

Well you did, your parents.

Lifejigsaw · Yesterday 16:13

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 13:58

Well she would still be in college this year continuing her course if the government hadn’t brought in the GCSE requirements. But that’s another story.

If we said that she needed to fund her own food shopping then yes she would then need the money.

I'm curious on this? The government hasn't made any recent changes to the GCSE requirements for further study.

WearingBeautifulShoes · Yesterday 16:14

Notmycircusnotmyotter · Yesterday 16:03

I hate this entitlement culture

I tend to think of "entitlement culture" as people thinking they're entitled to all sorts of stuff that they're not. But in this case the DD is legitimately allowed to claim UC so I don't think the situation fits this description.

ThisTealWarrior · Yesterday 16:15

Lifejigsaw · Yesterday 16:13

I'm curious on this? The government hasn't made any recent changes to the GCSE requirements for further study.

No not the recent changes, I think it was brought in some years ago. She took maths and English three times and couldn’t get the required 4 so couldn’t carry on to do level 3 of her chosen subject.

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PinkFrogss · Yesterday 16:16

If all the young people struggling to get a job and are entitled to UC claim it then the government might feel more motivated to do something about the issue.

At the moment parents paying for their adult offspring just masks the problem

Boomer55 · Yesterday 16:18

QPZM · Yesterday 13:23

We don’t charge her any board and don’t intend to after she earns more either but I have explained that technically we could.

And this is why she's acting like benefits are beneath her, because you're teaching her life is a free ride at home and as long as she lives there, she doesn't have to make even a token contribution.

Not a great way to raise a young adult I'm afraid.

This. Parents should support their kids into their first job, not expect taxpayers to do it.