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AIBU to avoid becoming Mum’s regular companion for shopping trips?

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WhiteCab · Today 17:10

Can I get some advice please?
My mother is in her mid-70s. For around five years I have been observing a series of behaviours that concern me. It isn't one isolated thing; it is an on-and-off pattern of things that seem unusual or out of character.

Some of the things I've noticed include poor comprehension, suspicious/paranoid behaviour, becoming easily angered, rigid thinking, repetitive/OCD-like behaviours, poor judgement and planning, and some concerning boundary-crossing behaviour, including taking clothes that don't fit her and snooping through my belongings and shopping from my bags/room.

I suspect there may be a cognitive problem, possibly a behavioural form of dementia, rather than a problem that would necessarily begin with obvious memory loss. Unfortunately, I have struggled to get anyone to take the concerns seriously because the focus has been on whether she is forgetting things.

She can still manage familiar routines reasonably well. She can get a bus into the city, spend the day shopping and come home. My concern is that much more may become apparent when she is outside her established routines or has to adapt to something unexpected.

I am also the person who is with her most of the time. She can be very difficult with me, easily argumentative and sometimes quite unpleasant. At other times she develops fixations or requests that she expects me to take over, such as wanting me to operate the internet for her, look things up online or arrange things for her. She has never learned to use computers or the internet herself.

The immediate issue I would like advice about is going into town.
Around three weeks ago, she went into the city alone by bus in the morning and returned around 6pm. On the journey home she developed travel sickness. Since then she has become apprehensive about travelling into town alone. She now wants me to go with her, or wants me to tell her whenever I am going into town so that she can come with me.

I understand why she may feel apprehensive after becoming travel sick. However, I am worried about what happens if I start accompanying her.
I work hard and my hours can be very unpredictable. Sometimes I have very intense weeks and sometimes work keeps me later than expected. My days off are also some of the only time I have to myself. I may want to get on a bus or train spontaneously, go somewhere for the day, have a meal and come home. I don't want to have to organise my free time around whether my mother wants to come into town.

There is also a history that makes me reluctant to take on regular shopping trips.
A couple of years ago, in the run-up to Christmas, she repeatedly asked me to go into town with her and help her shop. I spent days thinking about shops and things I could show her because she said she didn't know where to go. When we actually went into town, she refused to branch out from her usual shops and rejected the suggestions I had made. She was very rigid about what she wanted to do, and the whole morning became stressful rather than helpful.

I also don't want to become responsible for managing her while we are in town. For example, she tends not to stop properly for lunch or tea. She can spend hours shopping, perhaps buy a packet of snacks and sit on a bench for a few minutes, but she doesn't really take a proper break. I don't find spending a whole day doing that relaxing, and I don't want to become responsible for making sure she eats, rests or manages the day.

She can also make decisions that I find difficult to understand. For example, she may decide she is going into town despite torrential rain. I don't want to reach a point where she expects me to accompany her regardless of the circumstances.

My concern is that there is currently no formal support arrangement. I don't have POA or any formal responsibility for her. Yet if I start accompanying her regularly because she is apprehensive about travelling alone, I could gradually become her de facto support person without anybody formally recognising that this is happening.

At the same time, I don't want to ignore something that could potentially be a genuine change in her ability to manage independently.

So I would really appreciate advice from people who have been in a similar situation.
How do you maintain a boundary such as, "I am not available to accompany you into town regularly," while still recognising that an older parent may genuinely be becoming less confident or capable?
I don't want to argue with her or give her a long explanation every time. I would rather keep my own plans and availability fairly vague rather than create a regular arrangement that I can't sustain.
I'm also concerned that if I start helping with town trips, online shopping, appointments and other practical things, it could mask the difficulties I am already trying to get professionals to recognise.

Has anyone else dealt with this — where the parent can still manage familiar routines but increasingly wants a family member to take over or accompany them when something becomes difficult?

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NigellasNeck · Today 17:28

I take it she doesn't have many friends? My mil didn't but went shopping with sil or dn. My dm wasn't difficult in shops but went with friends or her dp in old age.

Can she afford a support worker? Sounds like you may start to feel obligated.

24Dogcuddler · Today 17:33

Does she go food shopping? Could you set her up with an online food delivery? Then if she does go on a trip it’s not as urgent.
Could she speak to her GP about travel sickness if it’s new?
Maybe you could take her on a trip every few weeks. I’d keep an eye on the behaviour changes. Some infections such as urinary can cause erratic behaviour in the elderly.

WhiteCab · Today 17:41

I do grocery shops online weekly for home delivery and that's a huge help.

I am reculant to go shopping in the city.

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TheGreatPotato · Today 17:45

Could you hire a private PA/carer just for the shopping trips? It would cost about £15-£20per hour.

AnywayYouLike · Today 17:46

Gosh that's a long post!

I don't think you're being unreasonable to avoid spending lots of time shopping with your mum. It's a shane she won't try online shopping.

You could try posting on the elderly parents board, there's always good advice on there.

AMillionPeopleCheering · Today 17:48

Do you live with her?

Morecoffeeneedef · Today 17:50

Sorry but you may be over optimistic about there being structured help available that your help will mask her need for, especially in early stage cognitive decline. I get why you don't want to commit to regular help, but in practice it might be easier to agree to a fortnightly shopping trip rather than keeping your own shopping plans vague.

Merrybandofpirates · Today 17:55

What do you mean when you say that you don’t want to do things to help her while it is unrecognised by someone official? What is it you need recognised - you don’t need POA or anything else. She isn’t unwell, she isn’t unable to make decisions herself, she doesn’t need a carer or anyone to be recognised as her carer. Thousands of adult children help their aging parenting everyday without it being “recognised” officially because that’s not a thing. She is just getting older, and wants some support from you but if you don’t give it, she sounds like she will manage just fine. She isn’t unwell.

If she becomes unwell or exhibits dementia or anything else, then you start taking her to the GP and get the ball rolling for help. But right now, what are you talking about when you say you want it recognised somewhere?

It sounds like you still live with your mum? This is what happens when you still live at home - more help and involvement will be expected of you from your mum. If you don’t want to do it then just say no. That’s literally the only answer we can give you. Say no when she asks, or move out.

This is a pretty weird post really. You don’t need outside input here.

WhiteCab · Today 17:56

24Dogcuddler · Today 17:33

Does she go food shopping? Could you set her up with an online food delivery? Then if she does go on a trip it’s not as urgent.
Could she speak to her GP about travel sickness if it’s new?
Maybe you could take her on a trip every few weeks. I’d keep an eye on the behaviour changes. Some infections such as urinary can cause erratic behaviour in the elderly.

I am not able to manage UTIs with her. I was at the end of some horrid outbursts from her and eventually over weeks she would recognise some pain and think it's a UTI and go to the doctor. But i am often looking at the guts of 4/5/6/7 weeks of odd behaviours and some crazy things.

I am not able to suggest that she might have a UTI and suggest a doctor or pharphamist. She finds something to argue with.

I was only successful once at getting her to a GP by using reverse psychology as if she was a toddler refusing food.

I remember babysitting for a lady when I was younger and one of her young boys was refusing to eat. I was able to get him to eat by making something I knew he liked, sitting down in front of him and eating it myself without offering him any which in turn had him pegging for it and eating it.

Regarding my mother, I suspected a UTI at some point about 2 years ago and after weeks of trash from her, I went to my own doctor for my own issue, came home with a bag of supplies from the pharmacy and swinging the bag happily and talking highly of the lovely lady doctors in the local practice. That was the only thing that prompted her into making her own appointment for that UTI she thought she had but ignored.

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Holesintheground · Today 17:58

Morecoffeeneedef · Today 17:50

Sorry but you may be over optimistic about there being structured help available that your help will mask her need for, especially in early stage cognitive decline. I get why you don't want to commit to regular help, but in practice it might be easier to agree to a fortnightly shopping trip rather than keeping your own shopping plans vague.

I'd do this and agree to take her fortnightly. It will take up time but you can plan for it and brace yourself.

LavenderDisco · Today 17:58

No, you're not being unreasonable. It's ok to limit the amount you're willing to do. It's often a choice between feeling guilt and feeling resentment.

There is help you can buy in such as a PA/companion if your mum is open to that idea and can afford it. But nothing in the way of social care support for this stage of old age/mild cognitive impairment

Hop over to the elderly parents board. There's no judgment there

OfficerChurlish · Today 18:01

YANBU, but ...

It seems like for her this "shopping" is at least partially a recreational activity/something she wants to go and do, rather than purely needs-based and focused on things she needs that could be acquired another way (delivery, her giving you a list to fill). I think the best bet may be to set up a periodic but less frequent shopping trip where you do take her and rather than trying to get your shopping done too you focus on her needs - including either scheduling it so no one needs to eat, bringing something to eat on the way, or insisting on taking her to lunch as part of the trip. You said that you are the person she sees most, but are there other family members or friends who could take a turn taking her? If it's an infrequent "date" set up ahead of time, the fact that you are close and they are less so may not matter as much.

Also, not a long-term solution as it seems she's declining and eventually will not be able to go alone, but for now would it be possible to help her with the motion sickness issue? If it's a one-off it's a shame it's inhibiting her from getting around as before, and if it's repetitive/chronic then even if she won't see a GP there may be OTC meds, "folk remedy" things like ginger chews, or even coping strategies that could help her both feel better and gain confidence that she can cope with a future episode.

WhiteCab · Today 18:11

Merrybandofpirates · Today 17:55

What do you mean when you say that you don’t want to do things to help her while it is unrecognised by someone official? What is it you need recognised - you don’t need POA or anything else. She isn’t unwell, she isn’t unable to make decisions herself, she doesn’t need a carer or anyone to be recognised as her carer. Thousands of adult children help their aging parenting everyday without it being “recognised” officially because that’s not a thing. She is just getting older, and wants some support from you but if you don’t give it, she sounds like she will manage just fine. She isn’t unwell.

If she becomes unwell or exhibits dementia or anything else, then you start taking her to the GP and get the ball rolling for help. But right now, what are you talking about when you say you want it recognised somewhere?

It sounds like you still live with your mum? This is what happens when you still live at home - more help and involvement will be expected of you from your mum. If you don’t want to do it then just say no. That’s literally the only answer we can give you. Say no when she asks, or move out.

This is a pretty weird post really. You don’t need outside input here.

Over the past few years I have noticed a number of odd and concerning changes in my mother’s behaviour, and I am concerned there may be a cognitive problem, possibly dementia. She can still manage quite well in familiar situations, which is part of why it has been difficult to get anyone to take my concerns seriously.

What has changed recently is that after becoming travel sick on the bus home from town, she has become apprehensive about going alone and now wants me to accompany her or go whenever I go.

I understand that she may genuinely feel less confident after that experience, but I am worried about automatically stepping into a regular support role. I already provide a lot of practical support at home, and I don't want accompanying her into town to quietly become another responsibility that is expected of me.

I suppose I'm trying to work out how to support her appropriately without taking over something she may still be capable of doing herself, and without creating a regular arrangement that I can't sustain.

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WhiteCab · Today 18:13

Over the past few years I have noticed a number of odd and concerning changes in my mother’s behaviour, and I am concerned there may be a cognitive problem, possibly dementia. She can still manage quite well in familiar situations, which is part of why it has been difficult to get anyone to take my concerns seriously.

What has changed recently is that after becoming travel sick on the bus home from town, she has become apprehensive about going alone and now wants me to accompany her or go whenever I go.

I understand that she may genuinely feel less confident after that experience, but I am worried about automatically stepping into a regular support role. I already provide a lot of practical support at home, and I don't want accompanying her into town to quietly become another responsibility that is expected of me.
I suppose I'm trying to work out how to support her appropriately without taking over something she may still be capable of doing herself, and without creating a regular arrangement that I can't sustain.

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WhiteCab · Today 18:14

Holesintheground · Today 17:58

I'd do this and agree to take her fortnightly. It will take up time but you can plan for it and brace yourself.

My job will never allow me to plan for fortnightly shopping trips, it's just not going to happen.

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Flowersandfauna · Today 18:15

I think you sound very mean

WhiteCab · Today 18:16

The travel sickness is regular from her but she won't take any medicine for it. She is refusing meds and the doc.

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WhiteCab · Today 18:17

My job can be a nightmare and then my mother haragues me a lot and I am left with regular migraines. It used to be once every 2-3 months migraines now it's weekly of not several times a week. Just intense pain and all of it is the demands from every angle.

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WhiteCab · Today 18:23

Her going to town was her only social activity and it was a way for her to help with boredom. I tried years ago suggesting hobbies but she refused everything.

I don't want to fall into a position of doing this weekly or every second week. I could consider maybe once a month.

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BigBrownBoogyingBear · Today 18:25

You can take her into town without needing to 'manage' her. If she doesn't want to eat - that's fine. She can wander around while you have lunch. If she only wants to look in certain shops that's also fine - you don't need to get her to go elsewhere. If you stop trying to manage the trips, they'll become less stressful.

If it was me, I'd agree to take her either once or twice per month. Make it a routine.

I feel your pain somewhat. I have a FT job and teenage children but spend every Sunday taking my elderly parents grocery shopping. It's draining and massively eats into my spare/family time. They won't allow me to set up online shopping because they genuinely enjoy trailing round Asda. Whereas I never go into a supermarket if I can help it!

Partingofthewaves · Today 18:28

Has anyone else dealt with this — where the parent can still manage familiar routines but increasingly wants a family member to take over or accompany them when something becomes difficult?

Many elderly people are isolated, a bit lonely, not able to do what they used to in the same way and so on, so rely on family members for support, it is common. I was glad to do it for mine as they are no longer alive and hope I made life a bit more fun and interesting at times for them.

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Johntaylorschin · Today 18:36

Some of the strange behaviours could be dementia, DF had Lewy Body dementia, he became anxious due to the paranoia, thinking people were going to steal from him so began hiding things, he would get fixated on things and get quite frustrated sometimes.

LavenderDisco · Today 18:38

WhiteCab · Today 18:11

Over the past few years I have noticed a number of odd and concerning changes in my mother’s behaviour, and I am concerned there may be a cognitive problem, possibly dementia. She can still manage quite well in familiar situations, which is part of why it has been difficult to get anyone to take my concerns seriously.

What has changed recently is that after becoming travel sick on the bus home from town, she has become apprehensive about going alone and now wants me to accompany her or go whenever I go.

I understand that she may genuinely feel less confident after that experience, but I am worried about automatically stepping into a regular support role. I already provide a lot of practical support at home, and I don't want accompanying her into town to quietly become another responsibility that is expected of me.

I suppose I'm trying to work out how to support her appropriately without taking over something she may still be capable of doing herself, and without creating a regular arrangement that I can't sustain.

The way you describe her, she'd not get a diagnosis of dementia. The gp wouldn't refer her to the memory clinic at that stage. Your description is of a person with mild cognitive impairment and associated anxiety on top of a pre existing difficult personality and fraught relationship with you.
There isn't any professional support for her on the NHS or in social care. She might qualify for attendance allowance if that would be useful in paying for a PA. Citizens advice would be helpful to advise on that

It sounds like you live with her, I think you should try to move out if it's at all financially possible. Some physical distance might help your relationship, your wellbeing and your ability to offer infrequent support. I would certainly avoid getting into any habitual roles of being the shopping companion etc. You can suggest groups, classes, coffee mornings etc to open up her world. If she declines, that's her choice

WhiteCab · Today 18:42

Partingofthewaves · Today 18:28

Has anyone else dealt with this — where the parent can still manage familiar routines but increasingly wants a family member to take over or accompany them when something becomes difficult?

Many elderly people are isolated, a bit lonely, not able to do what they used to in the same way and so on, so rely on family members for support, it is common. I was glad to do it for mine as they are no longer alive and hope I made life a bit more fun and interesting at times for them.

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It's is such a pity how it is not reflected in society where adults who support parents can be supported from the work place. Say for example with a half day mid week.

I think the problem I have is a full time job that doesn't recognise that I have am aging parent at home. A job that just wants to take my soul, work me into the ground and pee on it.

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