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AIBU to avoid becoming Mum’s regular companion for shopping trips?

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WhiteCab · Today 17:10

Can I get some advice please?
My mother is in her mid-70s. For around five years I have been observing a series of behaviours that concern me. It isn't one isolated thing; it is an on-and-off pattern of things that seem unusual or out of character.

Some of the things I've noticed include poor comprehension, suspicious/paranoid behaviour, becoming easily angered, rigid thinking, repetitive/OCD-like behaviours, poor judgement and planning, and some concerning boundary-crossing behaviour, including taking clothes that don't fit her and snooping through my belongings and shopping from my bags/room.

I suspect there may be a cognitive problem, possibly a behavioural form of dementia, rather than a problem that would necessarily begin with obvious memory loss. Unfortunately, I have struggled to get anyone to take the concerns seriously because the focus has been on whether she is forgetting things.

She can still manage familiar routines reasonably well. She can get a bus into the city, spend the day shopping and come home. My concern is that much more may become apparent when she is outside her established routines or has to adapt to something unexpected.

I am also the person who is with her most of the time. She can be very difficult with me, easily argumentative and sometimes quite unpleasant. At other times she develops fixations or requests that she expects me to take over, such as wanting me to operate the internet for her, look things up online or arrange things for her. She has never learned to use computers or the internet herself.

The immediate issue I would like advice about is going into town.
Around three weeks ago, she went into the city alone by bus in the morning and returned around 6pm. On the journey home she developed travel sickness. Since then she has become apprehensive about travelling into town alone. She now wants me to go with her, or wants me to tell her whenever I am going into town so that she can come with me.

I understand why she may feel apprehensive after becoming travel sick. However, I am worried about what happens if I start accompanying her.
I work hard and my hours can be very unpredictable. Sometimes I have very intense weeks and sometimes work keeps me later than expected. My days off are also some of the only time I have to myself. I may want to get on a bus or train spontaneously, go somewhere for the day, have a meal and come home. I don't want to have to organise my free time around whether my mother wants to come into town.

There is also a history that makes me reluctant to take on regular shopping trips.
A couple of years ago, in the run-up to Christmas, she repeatedly asked me to go into town with her and help her shop. I spent days thinking about shops and things I could show her because she said she didn't know where to go. When we actually went into town, she refused to branch out from her usual shops and rejected the suggestions I had made. She was very rigid about what she wanted to do, and the whole morning became stressful rather than helpful.

I also don't want to become responsible for managing her while we are in town. For example, she tends not to stop properly for lunch or tea. She can spend hours shopping, perhaps buy a packet of snacks and sit on a bench for a few minutes, but she doesn't really take a proper break. I don't find spending a whole day doing that relaxing, and I don't want to become responsible for making sure she eats, rests or manages the day.

She can also make decisions that I find difficult to understand. For example, she may decide she is going into town despite torrential rain. I don't want to reach a point where she expects me to accompany her regardless of the circumstances.

My concern is that there is currently no formal support arrangement. I don't have POA or any formal responsibility for her. Yet if I start accompanying her regularly because she is apprehensive about travelling alone, I could gradually become her de facto support person without anybody formally recognising that this is happening.

At the same time, I don't want to ignore something that could potentially be a genuine change in her ability to manage independently.

So I would really appreciate advice from people who have been in a similar situation.
How do you maintain a boundary such as, "I am not available to accompany you into town regularly," while still recognising that an older parent may genuinely be becoming less confident or capable?
I don't want to argue with her or give her a long explanation every time. I would rather keep my own plans and availability fairly vague rather than create a regular arrangement that I can't sustain.
I'm also concerned that if I start helping with town trips, online shopping, appointments and other practical things, it could mask the difficulties I am already trying to get professionals to recognise.

Has anyone else dealt with this — where the parent can still manage familiar routines but increasingly wants a family member to take over or accompany them when something becomes difficult?

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WhiteCab · Today 18:43

BigBrownBoogyingBear · Today 18:25

You can take her into town without needing to 'manage' her. If she doesn't want to eat - that's fine. She can wander around while you have lunch. If she only wants to look in certain shops that's also fine - you don't need to get her to go elsewhere. If you stop trying to manage the trips, they'll become less stressful.

If it was me, I'd agree to take her either once or twice per month. Make it a routine.

I feel your pain somewhat. I have a FT job and teenage children but spend every Sunday taking my elderly parents grocery shopping. It's draining and massively eats into my spare/family time. They won't allow me to set up online shopping because they genuinely enjoy trailing round Asda. Whereas I never go into a supermarket if I can help it!

This. It doesn't matter what I do, she will never appreciate it and she will only find something to complain about too.

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WhiteCab · Today 18:45

Johntaylorschin · Today 18:36

Some of the strange behaviours could be dementia, DF had Lewy Body dementia, he became anxious due to the paranoia, thinking people were going to steal from him so began hiding things, he would get fixated on things and get quite frustrated sometimes.

This is a lot of what I am dealing with too. My mother is even taking the pegs from the clothes line because she believes someone will steal them and there are so many things around the home just hidden.

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Surelynotpeter · Today 18:46

That sounds really hard, hard enough to do for someone you have a good relationship with, harder with someone you don't. You've suggested that once a month would be doable - how about you suggest that for now? She might find that, after the first time out with you, her desire to go out more often by herself trumps her anxiety about the bus.

Is there any other family who might be able to pitch in? Any other grown kids for example?

Could she find a new hobby that's closer to home, maybe gardening or cultivating vegetables? Or how about volunteering at a more local place that she could walk to, like a high street charity shop or soup kitchen? Or maybe try her hand at a new craft project? Just trying to think of cheap, local things she can do so that you both maintain a bit of independence.

I have a difficult relationship with my mum too and I dread the time where she'll need more support from me, as I find her unbearable at the best of times. But I will have to step up and give some support because that's just how it is with families. Could you try reframing things to make them more palatable in your mind? For example, if you're living at home it might be because you're paying less than living out, so she's helping you out in that regard. Maybe monthly shopping trips are a way to give back?

Hope something helps anyway, and good luck.

KvotheTheBloodless · Today 18:50

It sounds like you live with her, or she lives with you - whose home are you living in? If you're able to live separately you might find her easier to bear, as then it won't be constant.

Partingofthewaves · Today 18:50

WhiteCab · Today 18:42

It's is such a pity how it is not reflected in society where adults who support parents can be supported from the work place. Say for example with a half day mid week.

I think the problem I have is a full time job that doesn't recognise that I have am aging parent at home. A job that just wants to take my soul, work me into the ground and pee on it.

That is the same for many of us. I wasn’t talking about 50 years ago, I was talking about 5. It’s hard having elderly parents when you are working but that isn’t your mum’s fault. The problem with support at home is it often seen as duty. You do the necessary stuff, shopping or whatever but when does she get to do the fun stuff with you? Shopping with someone else can be an enjoyable trip if you make it so and put boundaries around the day. She’s struggling just as much as you from the sounds of it. You could have a bit of compassion for her rather than seeing her as a chore.

WhiteCab · Today 19:18

There's no one else to help. It's all falling on me because I am the one living the closest.

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Kirschcherries · Today 19:21

@WhiteCab
Pragmatic advice from me:

  • talk to her GP and explain you are concerned by potential cognitive decline and ask them to refer your mum to the memory clinic. NOTE: The GP cannot breach your Mums confidentiality and tell you anything but can listen and act on the information you provide.
  • Getting an early diagnosis of say Mild Cognitive Impairment means there maybe options that can slow the decline.
  • Try to get LPAs in place now - watch Martin Lewis’ video https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/power-of-attorney/ with your Mum and say you are getting yours done. Using reverse psychology..
  • Start working out your boundaries e.g. online food shop = great, all day shopping = no way.
  • Check out the Cockroach Cafe thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/elderly_parents/5577860-cockroach-cafe-autumn?reply=154829113

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LoafofSellotape · Today 19:28

I'll swap a monthly shopping trip for travelling half way across the country to see my parent! It doesn't need to be a full day , couple of hours in the morning at the weekend ,why does it need to be half a day mid week?

LoafofSellotape · Today 19:30

Kirschcherries · Today 19:21

@WhiteCab
Pragmatic advice from me:

  • talk to her GP and explain you are concerned by potential cognitive decline and ask them to refer your mum to the memory clinic. NOTE: The GP cannot breach your Mums confidentiality and tell you anything but can listen and act on the information you provide.
  • Getting an early diagnosis of say Mild Cognitive Impairment means there maybe options that can slow the decline.
  • Try to get LPAs in place now - watch Martin Lewis’ video https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/power-of-attorney/ with your Mum and say you are getting yours done. Using reverse psychology..
  • Start working out your boundaries e.g. online food shop = great, all day shopping = no way.
  • Check out the Cockroach Cafe thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/elderly_parents/5577860-cockroach-cafe-autumn?reply=154829113

This is all really good advice.

weeat · Today 19:41

i dont think your mum would meet criteria for a memory centre referral, although she may well be in the early stages. This can sometimes be indicative of tumour too so a ct scan may rule that out. If you went into town and didn’t tell her, would she realistically find out? You could just go on your own if you didn’t feel like company. Do you have siblings? Does she have a partner or siblings. She sounds a bit of a difficult character and i can see why you’d find it hard, but obviously you feel duty bound. Your job sounds stressful. Do you have a partner or children? It’s very hard when aging parents start to need more supervision and care but there’s only so much you can do if you work and have your own life. I get it. No advice really apart from where is everyone else in her life, why does this just fall to you?

WhiteCab · Today 19:44

I have many observations and concerns. I am apprehensive to make plans because going from incidents in the past she can't adapt anymore and she remains to be rigid. I am unable to make plans and say we will go to town on such a day.

It's because my work can be a fucking nightmare. They think they own me in work and it's not unknown for work to schedule me to work from morning til the next day, it's utterly illegal. It have me working, schedule me off for 12 hours that then turns into 15 or 16 hours. I had days from 8 am to after midnight. It's disgusting and sickening. I am getting sick so easily.

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Kirschcherries · Today 19:45

weeat · Today 19:41

i dont think your mum would meet criteria for a memory centre referral, although she may well be in the early stages. This can sometimes be indicative of tumour too so a ct scan may rule that out. If you went into town and didn’t tell her, would she realistically find out? You could just go on your own if you didn’t feel like company. Do you have siblings? Does she have a partner or siblings. She sounds a bit of a difficult character and i can see why you’d find it hard, but obviously you feel duty bound. Your job sounds stressful. Do you have a partner or children? It’s very hard when aging parents start to need more supervision and care but there’s only so much you can do if you work and have your own life. I get it. No advice really apart from where is everyone else in her life, why does this just fall to you?

My Mum had far less symptoms and was referred to the Memory Clinic which ended up with a MCI diagnosis.

From people I know with dementia early diagnosis makes a difference compared to those who don’t.

whippersnapper55 · Today 20:04

It sounds like you need to be looking for a new job if yours is severely impacting your life. No job should be making you feel like this.

Your mum needs to see her GP and you need to go with her. Make a list of the symptoms you've noticed and share it with the GP so you don't have to say it all in front of your mum. Ask for a referral to dementia clinic for an assessment. It's not always memory loss that is the primary symptom - personality changes can be the first thing you notice with certain types of dementia. My friend's mum has just had a diagnosis of mixed vascular dementia and alzheimer's disease, her memory isn't bad but her personality changes are more obvious. The GP referred her to a specialist, she had an MRI scan and was diagnosed. Take your mum to the GP and be prepared to push for a diagnosis.

thesandwich · Today 20:12

Please take some of the brilliant advice on this thread and hop over into the cockroach cafe threads on th3 elderly parents board. Loads of advice, support and understanding. It’s saved the lives of so many of us at very tough times.
Reverse psychology brilliant- book a well woman or whateve4 gp review for YOU, tell her how marvellous it is, write to gp with your concerns, they should call her in.
Have a look at local age uk support- is there a community link minibus or something she could use?
And please put yourself first.

HeddaGarbled · Today 20:26

I took my mum with dementia shopping once a week when she was still able to go. We’d shop and then go for coffee and cake. It was the only time she got out of the house and didn’t seem an outrageous ask to me.

WhiteCab · Today 20:59

HeddaGarbled · Today 20:26

I took my mum with dementia shopping once a week when she was still able to go. We’d shop and then go for coffee and cake. It was the only time she got out of the house and didn’t seem an outrageous ask to me.

The issue I have is that my mother lacks empathy. I could fall down sick in front of her and it doesn't register with her. I could do a 20 hour working day and she has little comprehension just how draining that is. There are many times she calls me and she wants me to help her and I do obligage but then in the same breath shows no concern or appreciation for me.

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