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AIBU to think challenging school rules can harm children’s resilience?

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Teenytinypineapple · 23/09/2026 16:20

AIBU to think that many of those parents who push back against schools and their rules are completely oblivious to the damage they're doing to their children?

The children who do the best are those whose parents instill in them that they should conform. Yes, that will cause difficulties at times. Yes, there will be things they don't like. But that's life. That's how children develop resilience.

Whilst little Timmy and his Mommy are complaining about the school sending him home for wearing the wrong shoes, little Jimmy has learned to suck it up, wear the damn shoes, get his head down and realise it's up to him to make the most of his education.

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JLou08 · 23/09/2026 18:07

HelpfulHelena · 23/09/2026 17:45

I am sure - absolutely sure - there is always a point to every school rule. Whether you think there’s a valid exemption that hasn’t been allowed for, or whether you think the point of the rule is plain wrong, is a different matter.

For example recently there was a thread about a mum refusing to share flight information after taking her child out of school for an unauthorised extended holiday, even though the school repeatedly explained the request was for safeguarding purposes. Just because SHE didn’t understand the point of the rule, doesn’t make it pointless.

You mustn't have read the full thread. It wasn't for safeguarding purposes, as many on the thread pointed out. The school eventually admitted it wasn't for safeguarding and the parents didn't need to provide the info.
It worries me how many people lack critical thinking skills and just blindly believe and follow whatever an authority figure says. As a PP has already pointed out, it's that personality type that led to the Holocaust.

MassiveBackstory · 23/09/2026 18:08

I couldn’t agree more, especially in these ‘First they came for the…’ times we are hurtling into.

ConflictofInterest · 23/09/2026 18:08

No I disagree I think I have confident, resilient children because they know I always have their backs. I'd never back the school over them. We generally have a good laugh over the schools ridiculous rules, no jersey fabric for school skirts is this week's one, which are often nonsensical and don't have a relevance to learning. I tell them to count the days until they're free of it, in the real world critical thinking should come into developing rules and there should be evidence based reasons for having them or they need challenging as times change and people shouldn't be blindly following rules without considering why. My DC follow the rules generally because they like the teachers and they like learning and don't want to get into trouble, not because I've told them rules are rules!

MassiveBackstory · 23/09/2026 18:09

Sorry I had meant to quote @Purplecatshopaholic above.

TheFriendlyPotato · 23/09/2026 18:11

I’m quite torn on this one, because I can see both sides. On the one hand, I completely understand that individual children may not thrive educationally when rules are applied too rigidly, and that there are times when flexibility and understanding are genuinely needed.

At the same time, I do worry about what happens when we remove too many boundaries. The reality is that the wider world doesn’t always accommodate us when we struggle with expectations or choose not to follow the rules. That can have consequences for employment, friendships and relationships, and I think part of our role as parents is to gently prepare children for that reality.

I also wonder whether, as a society, we have sometimes become so focused on accommodating individual circumstances that we have lost sight of the importance of shared standards. There will always be a reason why a particular rule is difficult for a particular child, and sometimes those reasons are completely legitimate. But if children see that the rules can be set aside whenever there is a reason, it can become difficult to understand why they should apply to anyone at all.

For me, rules and boundaries aren’t necessarily about control for its own sake. They form part of the social contract that allows people to live and work alongside one another. I worry that, in our understandable emphasis on individualism and person-centred approaches, we can sometimes lose sight of the responsibilities we have towards the wider community as well as towards ourselves.

I remember being a teenager and having a very clear sense of boundaries. I was genuinely scared of the police, and talking back to teachers was unthinkable. You were expected to respect authority and understand that there were limits. I’m not suggesting we should recreate that environment wholesale, or that fear is a healthy basis for raising children. But I do think children benefit from knowing where the boundaries are, even when those boundaries sometimes feel frustrating or unfair.

I also think we can sometimes do children a disservice by intervening too readily on their behalf at school. Obviously, if there is a genuine welfare or safety concern — for example, something relating to appropriate access to toilets or a child’s physical wellbeing — I would absolutely expect us to advocate for them.

But where it is simply a matter of finding a school rule frustrating, my starting point would probably be: try to work within the system and get on with it. Not because their feelings don’t matter, but because learning how to navigate rules, expectations and occasional frustrations is itself an important life skill.

Ultimately, I’m not going to be able to call a future employer and mediate every time my child encounters something they disagree with. What I can do is support them, listen to them, help them understand the situation, and coach them to speak up for themselves appropriately when something genuinely matters.

I think there’s a balance to be found between advocating for our children and giving them the confidence and resilience to navigate the world independently.

TLDR: do what is needed and accept you will have to comply to get ahead. Eventually you can change systems within. Our children will face hard lessons in adulthood if they are coddled too much as children. They have an inherent resilience, let them grow it.

TheFriendlyPotato · 23/09/2026 18:14

ConflictofInterest · 23/09/2026 18:08

No I disagree I think I have confident, resilient children because they know I always have their backs. I'd never back the school over them. We generally have a good laugh over the schools ridiculous rules, no jersey fabric for school skirts is this week's one, which are often nonsensical and don't have a relevance to learning. I tell them to count the days until they're free of it, in the real world critical thinking should come into developing rules and there should be evidence based reasons for having them or they need challenging as times change and people shouldn't be blindly following rules without considering why. My DC follow the rules generally because they like the teachers and they like learning and don't want to get into trouble, not because I've told them rules are rules!

Question: what happens when they rub up against employers etc that arent as reasonable, fair, logical and critical in their thinking?

I am thinking about real life situations

Hope you dont mind the question.

mrandmrsrobinson · 23/09/2026 18:15

JLou08 · 23/09/2026 18:07

You mustn't have read the full thread. It wasn't for safeguarding purposes, as many on the thread pointed out. The school eventually admitted it wasn't for safeguarding and the parents didn't need to provide the info.
It worries me how many people lack critical thinking skills and just blindly believe and follow whatever an authority figure says. As a PP has already pointed out, it's that personality type that led to the Holocaust.

And lets politicians use our children for cannon fodder in times of war. WW1 being a classic. T. here are other examples.

TwinklyAmberSloth · 23/09/2026 18:15

I'm a teacher and rules are there to be challenged...

BUT... challenge them in the right way. Get ALL the facts straight, then put together a petition showing why the current rule is wrong, and what it should be (making sure thorough research has been done into pros and cons of the current rule as well as the new rule).

The toilet rule is a difficult one. We are currently having this debate at school. Kids have before school, break time, lunch time and after school so no more than 2 hours without a chance to pee, which is sufficient and same as staff.

In fact there are more pupil toilets per pupil than there are staff ones!

Unfortunately lots of pupils don't actually need the toilet and just go for a walk, then cause damage across the site. And it's these kids that are spoiling the rights for the rest of the kids.

But by ranting "it's my human right" at management is not the way to do it. Come up with a sensible system that allows kids who genuinely need to pee to actually go to the toilet and prevents those who just want to skive from causing vandalism and unnecessarily interrupting a lesson.

At my previous school the pupils petitioned for a summer polo shirt rather than shirt and tie. They even did the costings and got all the pupils to sign. They were indeed listened to and the uniform was changed.

GardenCovent · 23/09/2026 18:15

I think that is a poor example.
Refusing to educate a child due to their footwear makes absolutely no sense and I can’t see how accepting rules like this builds resilience.

Mumtotornadoes · 23/09/2026 18:16

I think it's better to teach children to challenge rules they don't agree with or understand than follow rules blindly because someone in authority said so.

Deloitte · 23/09/2026 18:16

Batties · 23/09/2026 17:11

Some school rules are ridiculous though and need challenging.

Like what?

ConflictofInterest · 23/09/2026 18:21

TheFriendlyPotato · 23/09/2026 18:14

Question: what happens when they rub up against employers etc that arent as reasonable, fair, logical and critical in their thinking?

I am thinking about real life situations

Hope you dont mind the question.

I imagine the same as school, we talk it through, have a discussion about what's really behind the rule and laugh about it. Often rules are historical leftovers that could be changed for the better. I'd encourage them to challenge it within the appropriate channels provided at the workplace, just like I often tell them to raise things with the school council or pastoral team as appropriate. Challenging a rule doesn't have to mean refusing to follow it in a dramatic way or losing your temper, there's usually a way to challenge that's appropriate and I think learning how to do that starts in childhood.

Manyatimeandoften · 23/09/2026 18:21

Deloitte · 23/09/2026 18:16

Like what?

I think it’s ridiculous that black trainers aren’t allowed, personally. Fair enough if they have a massive white stripe or something but plain black trainers are inoffensive.

Demanding kids remove their coats the second they are in the building is also bloody stupid. Massive pile up of kids struggling with coats and swinging bags.

Toilet rules are draconian but I understand why. There needs to be a centralised system for toilet visits.

Asking for permission to take off blazer; cue thirty separate y7s asking. Yes, just fucking take it off; I don’t give a fuck!

FedUpCelery · 23/09/2026 18:23

Not sure.
If Timmy and Jimmy get to university. Which one is more likely to complain when the university decides that one of their 9 contact hours that they are paying 9k per year for will now be online as a new initiative to 'modernise our provision' and 'create a more joined up learning experience for all'.

Happyjoe · 23/09/2026 18:24

I think academies are awful schools, the stuff they put students through is awful. I truly think academies will be considered a period of shame in the future when it comes to education.

And no, it doesn't teach them resilience, it teaches them frustration, anger and a disregard for stupid rules.

Ponoka7 · 23/09/2026 18:24

I had a conversation with my 9 year old granddaughter this morning, about her footwear. She's wearing acceptable trainers. I've taught her about the LEA educational medical policies and how each school has to follow their own medical policy, which is submitted to Ofstead etc. Just in case she gets told that she can't wear them by a student teacher/yard/lunch attendant etc. I've taught my children and grandchildren to use the law to settle their arguments. Rules should make sense. There is room for tradition as in wearing a tie, but there still needs to be flexibility.

Backedoffhackedoff · 23/09/2026 18:30

TheFriendlyPotato · 23/09/2026 18:14

Question: what happens when they rub up against employers etc that arent as reasonable, fair, logical and critical in their thinking?

I am thinking about real life situations

Hope you dont mind the question.

Can you give an example of an employment situation this would be seen in?

Laurmolonlabe · 23/09/2026 18:37

There are lots of things which are more important than conformity. Building resilience, learning to time manage and plan, learning to risk assess. Conformity will not help your child get along in the world except in the most superficial sense. Your priorities need rearranging.

Bringemout · 23/09/2026 18:42

@TheFriendlyPotato

Exactly, agree with everything you said.

ConflictofInterest · 23/09/2026 18:46

I think OP is coming at this from one perspective where a child doesn't want to follow a rule but my DD's are very obedient, too obedient to my mind. If an adult, especially a teacher, tells them to do something they'll do it even if they don't think it's right or fair or safe. My point of view is to challenge this thinking because I want them to be safe long term and I don't think blind obedience is at all safe, especially for girls. The people saying what about employers, it's the same thing, I can very much see my daughter's just doing what they are told when employers aren't always acting within the law. It's important to be able to think for yourself and be used to critically appraising rules and instructions for whether they are actually safe/ethical/comply with guidelines etc. It's usually me saying here's 5 reasons why that school rule is wrong, rather than them being disobedient in reality, they often argue against me that school is right just because it's the rules, I just want them to stop and think, whether they choose to follow the crowd for an easier life is a different matter.

Totaldramallama · 23/09/2026 18:47

Purplecatshopaholic · 23/09/2026 16:28

I’m afraid I totally disagree. Little Jimmy needs to work towards a good education, regardless of his shoes, and he needs to know his parents have his back if the school is frankly batshit. Conforming to pointless rules purely because someone says so, does nothing for resilience. I would rather encourage the application of common sense in conjunction with a real understanding of the importance of education, a good work ethic, etc. Incidentally I do agree that there are times when people need to accept that conforming is part of the deal, but children need to be encouraged to see the differences between utterly stupid rules that don’t contribute to education, versus the real world.. just my opinion..

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Absolutely. I'm amazed blind conformity is something any parent would actively encourage. The only other environments where this level of conformity is required are cults or fascist states

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 23/09/2026 18:51

Too much individuality fractures solidarity.

Minasama · 23/09/2026 18:52

Fully agree. It’s the sense of bigger picture you instil - you do this because that is required for / appropriate to this environment. It doesn’t diminish you to conform here, it enables you to prepare for the next stage.

fridaynightzzz · 23/09/2026 18:53

I worked in a school where there were dress codes for the staff too. One of those things was no bare toes, we had someone work with us temporarily who kept coming in with shoes with the toe cut out. On the third occasion she was told to leave.
She kept saying she would continue to wear them as she thought the rule was ‘stupid’.

mrandmrsrobinson · 23/09/2026 18:54

Totaldramallama · 23/09/2026 18:47

Absolutely. I'm amazed blind conformity is something any parent would actively encourage. The only other environments where this level of conformity is required are cults or fascist states

This conformity model is being practised in most schools in the world. Name a country and a religion and you'll find it. Apart from liberal minded countries it's there.