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AIBU to think Burnham’s words may haunt his premiership?

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Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 07:16

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership?

‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’

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SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:39

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:38

Feel free to offer yourself first.

I don't have a dick I need to compare.
Would rather spend far more on social services for our kids and elderly.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:39

viking11 · 10/09/2026 09:37

Are people misunderstanding what he is saying?? Without both defence (which he will increase) we need to have health, social care, housing too. Civil unrest is also a huge risk at home. Otjerwise what are we protecting!?

Have a look at Ukraine and see how the Russians treat defeated populations and then ask yourself what we are defending.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:40

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:38

Isn't it.
I think the answer lies in making sure that we are as self sufficient as possible in terms of food and energy. Then diplomacy, forging strong links with other nations. We need to stop pretending that we are a leading military force because we "won" wars in the past.
We are tiny, both in terms of geography and in terms of military capacity.

We still need a defence budget, madness to think not. And risks are heightened which makes it more of a priority.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 09:40

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:10

I actually think the UK is obsessed with war and defence. I know it's a lucrative business for our economy but it's also very profitable for those billionaires, who stand to gain from our current levels of unrest.

How much does, say Ireland, need to spend on defence? I suspect they spend much less, partly because they are less of a target. Tending not to get as involved in other countries issues.

We are obsessed with our glorious past: 1945 and 1966. We have this inflated view of ourselves that isn’t relevant anymore.

We are a very fortunate, nice little green archipelago in Northern Europe. We don’t need to to keep wading into superpowers’ manoeuvres. You don’t see Sweden and Norway strutting about like us.

I actually think we shouldn’t be prioritising defence or benefits, we should be prioritising getting our industry and sustainability going. Getting jobs for people in green industries, building our own EVs, boosting our agriculture against a changing climate.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:41

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:38

Laughing at the posters thinking Russia hasn't already won them over with the defeatist "we are in peril" logic.
We need to make our country function after decades of under-funding of services and the resultant losing of our young skilled workers to countries like Australia.

Im not laughing at the fact Russian subs are in our waters checking out the under sea cables.

Binnyforthewin · 10/09/2026 09:41

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:39

Have a look at Ukraine and see how the Russians treat defeated populations and then ask yourself what we are defending.

Quite - no is the Donbas region is keeping their mobility cars.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:41

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:39

I don't have a dick I need to compare.
Would rather spend far more on social services for our kids and elderly.

I bet. But still feel free to join up if you’re suggesting anyone else.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 09:41

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:39

Have a look at Ukraine and see how the Russians treat defeated populations and then ask yourself what we are defending.

We will only be at risk from Russia if we start the arms race again

Nightingaille · 10/09/2026 09:42

He's not ditching defence, he stated that he would set out the date when we can reach the 3%. "The PM said that the government's commitment to defence was absolute and he would set a target date to reach the 3% in the spring".
He means not funding it the way the Tories wanted.

LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:42

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:38

Isn't it.
I think the answer lies in making sure that we are as self sufficient as possible in terms of food and energy. Then diplomacy, forging strong links with other nations. We need to stop pretending that we are a leading military force because we "won" wars in the past.
We are tiny, both in terms of geography and in terms of military capacity.

Are you talking about another country? We have evolved in all those areas. We don't need to be a leading military force, we just need a substantial defence mechanism.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 09:43

CoffeeCantata · 10/09/2026 09:00

It was a stupid thing to say.

I remember 4 years ago there was a thread on here where someone was pouring scorn on the “ridiculous “ idea that Russia would invade Ukraine.

The world is in a volatile state. People like Putin and Xi see Trump, the leader of the Western world, and reckon they can get away with all kinds of things which would have been unthinkable 20 years ago.

Trump has damaged far more than just the US and it’s not over yet.

The world is always in a volatile state

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:43

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 09:41

We will only be at risk from Russia if we start the arms race again

The Russians are against NATO. We are a leading member and a nuclear power. Thats why they are currently testing our defences. If we can't defend ourselves and the US are no longer a reliable ally then Europe is more vulnerable. And as we know Russia sees Europe as it's back yard.

augustuss · 10/09/2026 09:43

IDontHateRainbows · 10/09/2026 07:17

I think the man just existing will haunt his premiership.

The bots don't need a break.

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:43

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:41

Im not laughing at the fact Russian subs are in our waters checking out the under sea cables.

We know they are a threat, far more through fear and social media posts stirring up idiots to march about in balaclavas and spread "they are gonna attack!" posts all over the internet than using whatever they have left to fight a multi country war. We may have had Brexit but thankfully EU would still all come to our aid if Russia was stupid enough to do anything.

NorthXNorthWest · 10/09/2026 09:43

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:33

I am hoping it is a hint to the fact Labour are trying to rebuild our social care systems. As we are all living longer it is in everyone's interests to have a functioning care system that doesn't rely on NHS to home the elderly.

By all means, join the countries playing with drones in their dick swinging competition, but it isn't the priority of the masses who are carers for ageing parents and relatives meaning they cannot work and add to the economy.

it is in everyone's interests to have a functioning care system that doesn't rely on NHS to home the elderly.

Then why isn't there a much more forthright push to get people eating better, exercising more and taking greater responsibility for the aspects of their health they can control? Surely, in a country with very limited resources, keeping ourselves as healthy as we reasonably can for as long as we can should be part of the social contract. That has significant potential to reduce pressure on the NHS and the care system and leaves more resources for people where illness or disability cannot be prevented.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 09:44

Swiftie1878 · 10/09/2026 09:12

You clearly have no idea about the sort of man he is.
He may not get everything right, but his intentions are always admirable.

Correct

LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:44

Going by some of the replies @Greyrock79 it looks like sales of the white poppy will be on the increase this year.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:44

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:43

We know they are a threat, far more through fear and social media posts stirring up idiots to march about in balaclavas and spread "they are gonna attack!" posts all over the internet than using whatever they have left to fight a multi country war. We may have had Brexit but thankfully EU would still all come to our aid if Russia was stupid enough to do anything.

I think youre mixing up the threat from Russia and the threat from the small (now massive) boats.

dontcookwontcook · 10/09/2026 09:45

Nightingaille · 10/09/2026 09:42

He's not ditching defence, he stated that he would set out the date when we can reach the 3%. "The PM said that the government's commitment to defence was absolute and he would set a target date to reach the 3% in the spring".
He means not funding it the way the Tories wanted.

So in the spring (2027) he will provide us another date? What happens if an election is called before then, we wait for another budget in the autumn2027/spring 2028?

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:45

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:44

I think youre mixing up the threat from Russia and the threat from the small (now massive) boats.

I think maybe you don't know where your paycheck is coming from...

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:46

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:45

I think maybe you don't know where your paycheck is coming from...

Meaning ?

Pennyfan · 10/09/2026 09:46

I’d have more sympathy with you if you weren’t using the criminal Netanyahu as arbiter. That man has done more damage to his own Jews than even the man who assassinated Rabin.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 09:47

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 09:30

Thatcher sold off all our assets, made millions of people unemployed, flogged council houses so people today have to pay rich landlords… and spent shit loads on nuclear weapons (“to help keep the peace”). Now that’s thick!

I was there on 7/7/05 and it wasn’t caused by what we did or didn’t spend on “defence” aka supporting America invading countries that DIDN’T cause 9/11.

I have spent my life being scared because of stupid white men and one loonie woman war mongering.

It’s a shit state of affairs.

The only thing that puts this little island at risk is us supporting the U S of bloody A in their stupidity.

It’s not “defence” spending its aggression spending. We don’t need to keep supporting the USA.

By all means defend against a real proximate enemy, ie Hitler, but this obsession with stock piling weaponry is pointless - unless you’re an arms dealer. It literally sits around and becomes obsolete.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is lost - on both sides. I am truly sorry for people having to live like that but it’s not going to end until they talk and compromise. Us increasing our defence budget will have no benefit at all.

'I was there on 7/7/05 and it wasn’t caused by what we did or didn’t spend on “defence” aka supporting America invading countries that DIDN’T cause 9/11.'

So was I. On the tube (not ones bombed by Muslim terrorists purely by chance). Islamic extremism was responsible for 7/7. MI5 spend 75% of their budget on Islamic extremism. That is defence through spending on Security and Intelligence. Do you think benefit spending is more important than that too?

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:47

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:33

So should we just scrap all defence? And defend with paper aeroplanes. Seems a defeatist take straight up.

Honestly, I don't know.
Is it defeatist?
Or is there some sensibility in this?
The people of Ireland seem to sleep ok at night.

Given that the US recently threatened to invade Danish territory, I don't know how reliable or trustworthy they would be as a NATO partner anymore.
In my mind I picture them as an aggressor.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:47

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 09:45

I think maybe you don't know where your paycheck is coming from...

Also its NATO not the EU that one would hope would come to our aid if we were attacked. The EU is not yet a military alliance. Just for info.