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AIBU to think Burnham’s words may haunt his premiership?

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Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 07:16

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership?

‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’

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dontcookwontcook · 10/09/2026 09:20

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:17

We could spend every single penny we have as a nation and it would still be a drop in the ocean if the US or China decided that they wanted to invade us.

We are not the "great" invading power that we once were and we need to face up to that before we bankrupt ourselves.

I don’t think having a good robust military is about being an “invading country”. I don’t support invading anywhere but that doesn’t mean I want a massive welfare state and no way to defend ourselves if we were invaded

Swiftie1878 · 10/09/2026 09:20

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:16

A well intentioned fool. Poor UK.

Better than a bad intentioned fool. And the ‘fool’ element is still to be decided.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:21

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:17

We could spend every single penny we have as a nation and it would still be a drop in the ocean if the US or China decided that they wanted to invade us.

We are not the "great" invading power that we once were and we need to face up to that before we bankrupt ourselves.

Invading power is not the issue, it’s defence we need.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:21

soddingspiderseason · 10/09/2026 09:19

Oh, here you are again being racist. You really are very busy on these threads. Maybe go take a nice walk and interact with real people?

Not racist to point out there is a Muslim voting block. Its well accepted. We already have sectarian voting anyway.

LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:21

Ponoka7 · 10/09/2026 09:18

Well Churchill turned the gun boats on Liverpool because the men were fighting for a living wage. He was a rampant racist. He advocated chemical warfare. Blamed the Bengal famine on the citizens. Said the Jewish people brought on their persecution. So I hope not.
If he fails, welcome to the far right.

Awful awful man for saving this country from a takeover. What was he thinking. In fact, if he were alive today, he would wonder why he bothered.

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:21

LoyalMintOtter · 10/09/2026 07:57

True but it is still boring with little substance. Do you honestly think these threads actually change how people vote or get people to think more critically?

Would you rather I started a thread about, say, cats?

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LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:22

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:15

This is quite a funny post. Have you heard there is a war currently going on in Europe?

Ireland piggybacks off our defence and we unfortunately can't make them defend themselves due to geography and our underwater cables. So they can spend their putative defence cash on fun things while we have to defend them.

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Yes, and at least BAE systems are doing ok out of it.

dontcookwontcook · 10/09/2026 09:22

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:21

Would you rather I started a thread about, say, cats?

Or how to apply for universal credit

LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:22

soddingspiderseason · 10/09/2026 09:19

Oh, here you are again being racist. You really are very busy on these threads. Maybe go take a nice walk and interact with real people?

Oh here you are again being a hypocrite. Maybe quit the race baiting and contribute something of value.

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:22

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Sadly, you are absolutely right.

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titchy · 10/09/2026 09:23

curious79 · 10/09/2026 07:22

I think the fact that no one even voted him to lead the party let alone lead the country is the only haunting he needs.

MPs voted for him to lead. The public don’t vote for who is to be PM. We’re not America or France. That’s how it works in our country. I think you shouldn’t really comment on politics if you haven’t grasped that basic fact.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:23

Swiftie1878 · 10/09/2026 09:20

Better than a bad intentioned fool. And the ‘fool’ element is still to be decided.

Oh that's already been decided.

His two greatest lines.

The country is "too in hock to the bond markets"

"National security can't come at the expense of social security"

Dayglojuice · 10/09/2026 09:23

Terrible line- genuinely wondering whether he was supposed to say the exact opposite (social security can’t come at the expense of national security) which everyone could have supported, even recipients of social security.

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:24

LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:22

Oh here you are again being a hypocrite. Maybe quit the race baiting and contribute something of value.

The R word has lost all power in the hands of those who would use it inappropriately. It’s meaningless.

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AmIReallyTheGrownup · 10/09/2026 09:24

dontcookwontcook · 10/09/2026 09:13

I don’t know the exact ins and outs but I’m pretty sure our army/navy covers Ireland so of course it’s cheap for them

Ireland is neutral, not a member of NATO and has a very small defence forces. They don’t have (eg) fighter jets so if things went wrong they’d be looking to the UK to help.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 09:25

LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:22

Yes, and at least BAE systems are doing ok out of it.

"British defence firm gets a lot of work to do in times of war and instability"

Meadowfinch · 10/09/2026 09:25

Swiftie1878 · 10/09/2026 09:12

You clearly have no idea about the sort of man he is.
He may not get everything right, but his intentions are always admirable.

Chamberlain had admirable intentions. It didn't make him a good leader.

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:25

soddingspiderseason · 10/09/2026 09:16

Why? And why another Burnham bashing thread? There’s a new one every day.

Hide/skip.

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dontcookwontcook · 10/09/2026 09:25

Dayglojuice · 10/09/2026 09:23

Terrible line- genuinely wondering whether he was supposed to say the exact opposite (social security can’t come at the expense of national security) which everyone could have supported, even recipients of social security.

Makes more sense if he did just fluff the line and balls it up
would be reassuring if he just admitted that rather than it essentially come across like “let’s create more state dependents and hope that we don’t require our military for anything ever, apart from drills and to use bases to house people”

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:26

Greenseacat · 10/09/2026 08:45

Why are so many people getting desperate to smear him already? It is getting pathetic...

There is no reason why defence spending has to come at the expense of the welfare safety net. That's just right-wing rhetoric.

The biggest welfare spending is pensions anyway.

I would prefer to see a wealth tax to prop up defence spending.

How much do you estimate a wealth tax would generate?

Await you.

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LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:27

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:24

The R word has lost all power in the hands of those who would use it inappropriately. It’s meaningless.

It's all they are interested in when you think about it. Every thread they appear on is about either slagging off Reform and/or calling everyone racist. That's why they hate it when you stand up to their insubstantial allegations.

dontcookwontcook · 10/09/2026 09:27

AmIReallyTheGrownup · 10/09/2026 09:24

Ireland is neutral, not a member of NATO and has a very small defence forces. They don’t have (eg) fighter jets so if things went wrong they’d be looking to the UK to help.

Thank you for explaining! I vaguely remembered it being something to do with us patrolling the surrounding area so they didn’t have to

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 09:27

Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 09:21

Would you rather I started a thread about, say, cats?

😊

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LancashireButterPie · 10/09/2026 09:28

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 09:21

Invading power is not the issue, it’s defence we need.

As I said, we could spend every penny we have and we would still be no match for China or an increasing unstable US if they chose to invade us. The fact is we could never defend ourselves against the might of their military.

LuckyHazelFox · 10/09/2026 09:28

Meadowfinch · 10/09/2026 09:25

Chamberlain had admirable intentions. It didn't make him a good leader.

Exactly, he was weak. He really was in the wrong party. Labour would have welcomed him with open arms.