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AIBU to think our 22 yo son is being slightly mad turning down a free London flat?

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BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

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WingsTingle · Today 11:24

pluggedunplugged · Today 09:04

You're bonkers OP - another life story...what's going on, someone practicing creative writing? Rent out the flat and give him the cash - job done, move on.

Yep - this! You can still support / invest in him without dictating where he lives. Now is the time in his life for having the 'no strings' experiences - let him do that his way. As a PP said - he'll likely come around to your offer in a couple of years if he stays in London...

BeNeatCat · Today 11:25

titchy · Today 11:23

Indeed. Even down to paediatrician father and medical student sister!

Edit: and OP’s PhD!

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My PhD isn’t anything specifically or even remotely important. There’s lots of doctors in England I don’t think it’s very outing but maybe it is enough for someone to find me on Facebook ahaha

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GoldenSandy · Today 11:26

BeNeatCat · Today 08:58

DS is 22 and has finally got his first proper job in London and we are absolutely thrilled for him. He graduated from the University of Edinburgh with a first in Economics last year and came home afterwards. We live in a village and while looking for work he worked at the local farm shop and tutored A-level students.

We didn't charge him rent. He helps around the house and it's actually been really lovely having him home. He says he genuinely missed the village when he was at university the peace and quiet, being able to get back into reading and cycling, and having time with our four dogs.

He's also managed to save about £16k since graduating so it's not as though he's been sitting around spending everything he earns. He's actually been very sensible financially.
He's now got a London job on £38k which we're very chuffed about. That’s a very good wage for a 22 year old newly grad.

DH and I have a two bedroom flat in Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. We’ve been renting for a while and the tenants have since bought a house now so they’ve moved out. We have had it on short term let as it’s been summer time so lots of tourists have been eager, it’s had a new group of people every other week or so since May it’s been quite hard for us to keep up with to be honest as this was our first time doing short term let’s seems as though the market in London is good. We've offered the flat to our son him and a friend completely rent-free. They would only have to pay the bills.
And he's said no.Because he wants to live with THREE of his mates. They’re currently searching and have been going to views for a 4 bed.

I have told him he's being ridiculous. He is 22, starting his first job on £38k, and we've basically handed him free accommodation in London. He could live there, pay the bills, continue saving and potentially build up a very decent pot of money over the next few years.Instead, he wants to rent a house with four friends because he wants the experience of living with them. I get it. I lived with 5 other girls (friends I made at uni) in London after university and throughly enjoy it they’re still my closest friends. And this is where I am conflicted because, if I'm being completely honest, I do understand it but also the economy is different to when I was 22

He's had a very nice year at home. He's saved £16k, had a peaceful year in the village, read, cycled, spent time with the dogs and generally enjoyed being at home. He isn't desperate to leave because he hates being here. He said he was slightly sad (albeit happy) about getting the job because he’s enjoyed being in a village his mind could finally think (his words) He does want to go and have the experience of being 22 and living in London with his mates.

DH thinks we should leave him to it. He's an adult, he's earning a decent salary, he's saved a good amount already and he's allowed to prioritise having fun and living with his friends over maximising his savings.
And I know he's right.

But I can't help thinking that a free two-bedroom flat in Hammersmith and Fulham that is fully paid for and his parents own is the sort of offer you don't turn down lightly at 22!

At the same time, perhaps I'm looking at it entirely through the lens of being his parent. I'm thinking about deposits, investments and financial security. He's thinking about having his four best friends round for dinner, going to the pub after work and coming home to a house full of people his own age.
He's not asking us to subsidise a lavish lifestyle either. He has £16k saved, a £38k salary and presumably will be perfectly capable of paying his own rent. He just doesn't want the financially optimal option.
And perhaps that's the point. He can afford to make the choice he actually wants.
So AIBU to think he's mad?Would you take the free London flat and save like mad for the next few years or would you pay rent to live with four of your best friends at 22 because you only get to be 22 once?
I'm increasingly wondering whether I'm confusing “financially sensible” with “the right choice for him”.

Maybe I am being unreasoned he’s 22, has a girlfriend who is soon moving to London too and wants to experience London to its full potential, get pissed with his friends and have fun I can’t fault him maybe I am being unreasonable.

He will laugh with you in ten years about how ridiculous it was he turned down a free zone 1 flat.
Let the flat out for 12 months and then see if he's changed his mind. £38k won't get you far in London, and in a year he might want to move into the flat with the girlfriend. Let him have a year to be irresponsible with his mates. You'll be glad they didn't trash your flat!

WhatNextImScared · Today 11:27

No he’s not mad, he will be lonely living alone. Let him have his fun. You are lucky the flat is there if he needs/wants it later.

£38k is a brilliant starting salary, so well done him. He’ll still be able to save in a house share on that income. I only earn £10k more and live in London with my DH (who earns more than me but still not anywhere near 6 figs) and we have to two children to support.

WhatNextImScared · Today 11:28

He’s got 16k saved?! Jesus Christ. He’s fine. Let him LIVE

WhatNextImScared · Today 11:31

This thread can’t be real. “I’m not academic at all…. I’ve got a PhD”

FudgeFudy · Today 11:32

He probably thinks that no matter what he does you'll make sure he's alright. And he's not wrong.

Maisy7 · Today 11:32

Let him make his own choices...he seems to be doing great so far. Also it's his life. Yes great to have been offered a 2 bed flat from you with no rent, but he wants to live with friends, those relationships are so important. If I was you I'd carry on renting it out. If he changes his mind, then that's another discussion, but you need to let it be.

Moving to London, starting a new job, lots of change, and it's wonderful that he has done so well. Be grateful. Lots of people would love such a successful son.

HRTQueen · Today 11:33

Sounds like an amazing set up for him, I can understand why you feel frustrated

But he is young, he wants a different experience just let him get on with it. £38k is manageable in a house share (I earn just a little more and a single parent we are not all on high wages) and there is no harm in having to struggle a little in life while you find your way preferably before you have real responsibilities

and he has the flat for the future

JacknDiane · Today 11:34

WhatNextImScared · Today 11:31

This thread can’t be real. “I’m not academic at all…. I’ve got a PhD”

That's just for starters.....

Minasama · Today 11:34

But living with three mates in London will be a blast! Give him a couple of years and he’ll be biting your arm off for the flat.

Gifgaf · Today 11:34

You are most definitely NOT being ridiculous! People in these comments must be very privileged to turn down a home in London for FREE. Honetsly he probably doesn't care because he knows no matter what he has a comfortable home to come back to and parents who have cleared the path ahead. This kind of behaviour is called being spoiled because anyone who knows a struggle would know how silly turning down a free home is and to have the opportunity to save even more money.

TheSmellOfSea · Today 11:37

Let reality sink in for him. He's in for a shock. But that's how we learn. 38k is nothing in London. But he's been cushioned so won't realise. Are his friends on such a low wage?

Minasama · Today 11:37

BeNeatCat · Today 09:21

We’ve said he can let another friend stay too as it’s a two bed flat but he’s said no which I just can’t see why you’d turn down a free flat after spending a year saying how expensive things are and how hard it’s been for him trying to get a job. He had one company where he did 8 rounds of interviews/different stages it’s been very tough so we thought this would be a nice gesture

He just needs to live his own life OP. You can’t control this so stop trying! Don’t be mardy, in a few months or years he’ll want the flat. Don’t say “I told you so.” He needs to have these experiences for himself.

ReyRey12 · Today 11:39

I think he is being ridiculous. But then again, i don't see the appeal of roomates. However, i feel like you should leave him to it. he would rather lige elsewhere, pay rent and be with his mates. That's his choise and he should be allowednto do that without having to justify himself.

titchy · Today 11:40

TheSmellOfSea · Today 11:37

Let reality sink in for him. He's in for a shock. But that's how we learn. 38k is nothing in London. But he's been cushioned so won't realise. Are his friends on such a low wage?

Very droll….

RelaxAndDetox · Today 11:41

Grain80 · Today 09:07

I’m struggling to work out what the actual dilemma is amongst the Edinburgh first, £16k savings, £38k graduate job, idyllic village life, four dogs and fully paid-off two-bed London flat 😂
He’s 22, financially responsible and can afford to live with his mates. Let him. You sound very proud of him, which is lovely, but this does read rather like a stealth boast dressed up as an AIBU.

Well done @BeNeatCat you've raised a very successful son, you are also successful parents. He has had so many given and so much help during his very privileged life, let him make his own choices for a while.

Rent the flat and give the money to a charity🤔

EyesOpening · Today 11:42

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable to think he’s slightly mad for turning it down and it is a very generous offer but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for him to want to live how he wants to. I think you should leave him be and let him stand on his own two feet as well.

Netcurtainnelly · Today 11:42

BeNeatCat · Today 09:21

We’ve said he can let another friend stay too as it’s a two bed flat but he’s said no which I just can’t see why you’d turn down a free flat after spending a year saying how expensive things are and how hard it’s been for him trying to get a job. He had one company where he did 8 rounds of interviews/different stages it’s been very tough so we thought this would be a nice gesture

It is, but he doesn't want it. Let it go. Would you have liked your parents trying to railroad you into something you didnt want?

Be careful this dosent spoil your relationship.

BeNeatCat · Today 11:45

Not everyone that has a PhD is an academic you can do a PhD in almost anything. As I have mentioned I have Mickey Mouse undergraduate degree and my PhD is even more Mickey Mouse I did it for the fun of it. I have never put Dr in anything it’s been so long even I don’t produce any research it’s not a PhD in the sciences or mathematics or economics it’s purely just for a fun. I work with people with PhDs in comedy etc none of us are in academia or even think of ourselves as academics.

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BeNeatCat · Today 11:46

Netcurtainnelly · Today 11:42

It is, but he doesn't want it. Let it go. Would you have liked your parents trying to railroad you into something you didnt want?

Be careful this dosent spoil your relationship.

It doesn’t mean I can’t be shocked I’m not going to force him to do something he doesn’t want sorry you’ve got that impression. We just thought it would be a good gesture and were surprised

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hothousingforsats · Today 11:47

Well firstly you can only do short term lets for about 90 days in H&F, unless you get an expensive license (which will probably be rejected and if you get caught they will fine you - a lot), so I can see why you want your son to take the flat.

However, he is moving to London for a lifestyle, which includes living with his friends. It would have been great if it had all worked out and you could give your son free rent and earn money from the spare room but that is not what he wants. Respect that. He might also want to live in East London not Hammersmith.

You will get excellent rent in H&F for that flat and I'm sure you know that you won't need a licence (as long as you only let to no more than 2 unrelated people).

The sales market for flats in H&F, as I'm sure you know, is dead, but rental is scarce. Students are coming back so get a 1 year let from them, then you get guarantors from their parents and they vacate at the end of every year. Students from Imperial will snap your hand off. Parents and most students NEVER want a black mark against their credit rating so rent and moving out at the end of term is as 'safe as houses' as it can be.

In a year he might be fed up of his mates and want the flat, or want to move in with his girlfriend

BeNeatCat · Today 11:48

Minasama · Today 11:37

He just needs to live his own life OP. You can’t control this so stop trying! Don’t be mardy, in a few months or years he’ll want the flat. Don’t say “I told you so.” He needs to have these experiences for himself.

Why would I say “I told you so” to my own son. He’s just entered the adult world he will learn like I did I’m glad my parents didn’t say to me “I told you” I did a lot of things that looking back now I regret but has my parents to always talk to and they just guided me same way we will just guide our son

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GoldenSandy · Today 11:49

BeNeatCat · Today 10:09

I had no student debt whatsoever why would I want my children to have that debt. He’s have been on plan 2 so would be paying it for a long long time. My sisters children took out the loan from SFE and then graduated and worked in London but the more salary and promotions they had the worse the plan got. Their parents decided to just pay it for them in one good to avoid it getting ridiculously high when they borrowed £27k they didn’t take out maintenance loans. I am from a country where education is free I grew up in England but have dual citizenship. I was lucky to have been born in the 20th century. I did my undergrad here then went and studied for my masters completely free in The Netherlands. My son looked at masters he was interested in LSE and that was too expensive for us to pay. It would have been great if he had the opportunity so forgive me for not wanting him to have student debt/graduate tax.

I am not academic at all. I did what they now call a Micky mouse degree, same with my masters and my PhD was Mickey Mouse but it was all free and I throughly enjoy being able to study subjects I was interested in just for the sake of it. Would be great if my son had that. He’s certainly smarter than I am and has a more “valuable” undergraduate degree

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OP you need to be careful as you are sounding very out of touch.
Most parents don't choose for their kids to be in debt, they just don't have thousands in spare cash.
Likewise, by telling us all your qualifications are Mickey mouse degrees isn't doing you any favours - most people do not have the privilege to be able to afford tu study to PhD level in a subject which is just for fun and doesn't lead to a job.
A 2 bed flat in Zone 1 is probably millions now.

I'm not sure why the masters he got into is relevant.

£38k isn't a good salary for London in finances.

DH started on £45k nearly 20 years ago in his graduate job in London in finance. Your son certainly can't be going to any of the top places so I would probably say a little bit less.

Better would have been: "My late father left us his flat in London when he died. DS has got a graduate job in London so is moving, and naturally we've offered him the empty flat. He's turned it down because he wants to get drunk with his mates. He's being a bit silly isn't he?"

Do you see the difference?

OutOfTheOtherSide · Today 11:54

You've brought up a son that isn't so entitled that he has zero independence and is happy to sponge off his parents despite having a very good job. That's such a rarity, he's pretty much a unicorn these days! How can you possibly want to change that? You've clearly done a brilliant job with him, don't ruin it now. He's a grown up, let him go his own way.

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