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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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HazelHedgehog · Today 17:44

Sorry, but he sounds like a spoilt brat. All that money, flash car, ughh ! You will have to let him be working for daddy does not impress that many people! Sorry for being harsh. His results are amazing, so he is obviously clever but its the attitude that may be an issue.

Notonthestairs · Today 17:45

Bogstandardname · Today 17:33

I think the real world, when he finally enters it, will think he's a bit of a twat.

He's only 18. We continue to change and develop after 18, particularly outside of a school enviroment.

I'd still be a bit frustrated with some behaviours but I don't think anyone should be written off at 18.

Acg1991 · Today 17:47

Got to be honest, even now when someone pees me off, I have a bit of an F you attitude! In fact, in English GCSE my teacher also predicted me a D, despite consistently high quality work even if I wasn't always the most engaged, but because I didn't always hand in my homework apparently I wouldn't do well. All coursework was As, but I put in even less effort after that in everything that didn't directly count towards grade. In fact, I spent the whole of year 11 writing left handed just because I was a bit of a nob really 😂 I also went on to get the As that I always knew I was capable of.
I can give a slight amount of insight now though. Partly I was just peed off, but that wasn't all of it. Even though I had every confidence in myself, it still knocked me slightly and being a straight A/A* student with a sister at Cambridge, anything below an A really would have felt like failing, so I didn't want to show that I was trying, so that if I failed I kind of had an excuse. As an adult, I obviously know that's absolutely ridiculous!

Enigma54 · Today 17:48

NO job is beneath ANYBODY; what a twatish comment to make. How does your husband think that would make retail workers feel?

“ I own an engineering company, everyone else’s job is shit! “‘ Mmmm…

The amount of dosh your son has received, is insane! You have every right to be feeling unnerved OP. Think your son needs a huge reality check!

randomnamegenerated · Today 17:49

NavyRobin · Today 15:50

Everyone is saying psychopathy, sociopathy etc my friend is a psychiatrist and I told her about this situation regarding him pretending to be stupid at school after the teachers refused to change his predicted grades for UCAS and she found it funny and knows him seems to just be a determined 18 yo nothing else he has done means he is a psychopath, if putting a middle finger to a teacher and laughing is grounds for that then many kids would be psychopaths for various things like that. I do not think people on here can diagnose him without even knowing him. As I have said multiple times the school has known him since he was 4 years old, he has had a discussion with his head of year about what was going on and why he acted that way, ie his friend who got Cs and Ds was predicted As after his parents spoke to the school and explained, the school apologised regarding predicted grades. Each year there seems to be a situation at the school regarding predicted grades, I understand they were under a lot of pressure not to inflate them which was why we left it. I did not come here to call my son names he is my son.

I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

Goodness, how fortunate you have a friend willing to violate professional ethics in diagnosing/not diagnosing the son of a friend that she's not seen as a patient. But in that case, since you've been reassured, why bother asking this in your OP?

I told her about this situation regarding him pretending to be stupid at school after the teachers refused to change his predicted grades for UCAS and she found it funny

Lol.

hadthetreescutdownforfun · Today 17:49

Urmm it’s who you know sometimes. I would do the same for my children and give them a job to get their foot in the door. Will look good on his Cambridge application. So job from daddy I’d say yes

yeah the money is stupid though. Would make sense for grandparents to give him some and then say there’s £34 grand for when you want to buy a house. Money from grandparents is half stupid half good

as for DH saying Waitrose is beneath him will just teach him to be a massive unlikeable prick. Comments from DH massive dickhead

mustardrarebit · Today 17:51

Sounds like my husband (before I knew him). He used to hide in his wardrobe at boarding school and skive off lessons to play sport and music. Almost kicked out because he didn't work and came back late from school hols. He got the highest results in his year and went on to do a very competitive uni engineering course. He thought school in the UK was a joke and too easy. Did the same at uni and walked away with a first, when more than half of his intake dropped out before the end. Some people just find academia comes easily to them. It annoys the heck out of me, but... he makes sure our kids put the work in at primary school and that they have a very strong foundation in the basics, because that's what he believes he had. So far, he's right.

On the financial side, I would prefer my in laws consulted us before gifting large sums to a teenager, and I hope they would listen if I asked them to put most of it into savings for uni/house deposit and give the child a smaller amount to spend now.

user1464187087 · Today 17:53

NavyRobin · Today 17:23

I gave insight when people asked. If I had in the original post it would have be quite a lengthy post. I didn’t know that was a rule on here people were asking certain things making assumptions saying that he apparently doesn’t help around the house etc. I live with him I know what he does. If I’d have put all that most would have said I necessary contest. Damned if you do damned if you don’t.

Yes I understand about you not wanting the first post to be a massively long one. It's just that we didn't get much balance on what your son is like.

Girlwithavibe · Today 17:54

NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

I agree with u op he is being overindulged !!
He needs to learn about money and working hard which he has done with his grades but the real world is not school or uni and what happens when the money runs out ??
We gave our children the tools they needed to get ahead and now one of them 26 has his own penthouse and a business we didn't give him money thou we have him the tools and he worked hard ?
Same with daughter she is 24 and has her own house and working super hard in a management job !! If U give them the tools that's helps alot but not loads money especially at 18 what a waste of money on a car when he had one that worked ?
I'm old fashioned mum it pays to teach them that hard works pays off !!

Millytante · Today 17:55

DarcyBlue · Today 17:03

Ah, that's tricky. He doesn't sound Oxbridge material from what you have shared. He seems to have missed to a key (implicit) lesson from school, namely that you will not get on with everyone (students and teachers alike) and it's important to be professional and find ways to work in those circumstances. I would be extremely surprised if he got a place at Cambridge, it is (mostly) full of very conscientious, hard working, and focussed young people now.

The money from PILs is unfortunate. I would be similarly frustrated if this were to happen for my children!

I wonder if another approach might be the answer for your son; asking him to think about his personal statement for his application and trying to get him to reflect on how he is coming across? Add in the 'working for Daddy' at your DH's firm, he may find himself looking at a bit of an arrogant young man, which is perhaps not who he wants to be? There must be more to him than a flash new car and flipping the bird to his teachers? Music, art, theatre, gardening, social care, volunteering, achievement through sport - any interests that indicate a texture to his character? (and, incidentally, would make him far more at home in Cambridge than a shiny car...)

Well said

NavyRobin · Today 17:57

randomnamegenerated · Today 17:40

Is your son a year behind in school? Because it would be seriously questionable (illegal) for a car company to contract with an under 18...

I don’t think it’s illegal for him to have the opportunity to go the factory where they make the cars and make a video for them in terms of the tech side of things and engineering as he is interested in engineering It’s a pretty well known car company and I guess they’re breaking the law since they’ve had a 17 year old do advertisement videos for them previously on their social media. I feel as thought they would have checked the law in terms of this. I guess also going to a Dyson factory at 17 is illegal too ? Theresa advert rules for under 18 and he’s supervised by engineers and isn’t working above the legal working hours for under 18s.

OP posts:
NavyRobin · Today 18:01

People saying about Oxbridge. He probably won’t get in he knows this ? He has said it himself but thinks it’s worth a try as he meets the entry requirements. He has since emailed the college admissions for the college he’d like before he makes a firm decision on a specific college and they’ve said in terms of grades he meets the requirements they’d require the full application to make a full judgment. He isn’t just going to apply to Cambridge he’s interested in other unis and will not be fussed if he doesn’t get into Cambridge. He was upset he did not get offers from other unis based on his predicted grades and he did email and they said the predicted grades are important in terms of making offers. So I do see why he was upset in that regard but it’s happened now he’s taken accountability for his behaviour and has apologised. In terms of his grandparents that’s where a lot of the issues lie they do not care what DH says or what I say they’ll do what they like. I have no issues with them helping our son it’s how they go about it.

OP posts:
randomnamegenerated · Today 18:03

NavyRobin · Today 17:57

I don’t think it’s illegal for him to have the opportunity to go the factory where they make the cars and make a video for them in terms of the tech side of things and engineering as he is interested in engineering It’s a pretty well known car company and I guess they’re breaking the law since they’ve had a 17 year old do advertisement videos for them previously on their social media. I feel as thought they would have checked the law in terms of this. I guess also going to a Dyson factory at 17 is illegal too ? Theresa advert rules for under 18 and he’s supervised by engineers and isn’t working above the legal working hours for under 18s.

So he went somewhere to talk about the cars? Your phrasing below is unclear and makes it sound like he was driving the car

He got a partnership with a car, and got to test out their electric new cars and went on a brand trip,

Anyway, OP, you don't seem to have found much advice on this thread, and you seem to have moved away from your original concerns about your son. Are you planning to get back to them?

Brokeandold · Today 18:04

Wonder how much student loan he’ll need to take out?
obviously the main loan , £9000 roughly, maybe more as our DS left Uni 2 years ago
but its the maintenance loan that is dependant on household income, Uni costs a fortune…..
we gave our DS around£400 1st/2nd years £600 (3rd/4thyears ) per month to cover food etc
he couldnt work as the study was intense-he did his masters at Oxford
he had worked during 6th form, tried to save money but he certainly needed money from us
just to say we are not a rich family, certainly no extras from Grandparents, he applied for his place under the Oxford opportunity scheme, all state schools, live in a “deprived” area in our town
He never stuck his finger up at any of teachers……

AstonCanKissMyArse · Today 18:06

alcovecupboards · Today 14:58

Oh come on, you know as well as anyone that teachers aren't all saints. We had utter hell last year with one of DS's teachers 'losing' his coursework at the last minute and denying ever having received it which was fortunately demonstrably untrue. Nothing but nice to our faces at parents' evening, but was vile to DS and appeared to do his level best to fuck up his grade. Good on the OP's son for fighting back!

No, of course there are some crap teachers out there, but OP hasnt suggested that this was a teacher problem.

If it was, how do you think giving them the finger is going to help? Rudeness doesn't solve anything.

Do you really think walking up to someone and sticking your middle finger up in their face, in front of others, is the solution to anything?

Good luck with that, outstanding negotiating skills 👏

EmmaB1309 · Today 18:07

It sounds a bit like he wanted to have the satisfaction of sticking it to his teachers when he did better than expected. A bit twatty and immature but I reckon I could move past that. He got the results and then some and that’s great.
I also don’t think I could be too worked up about the job with his dad either. I get what you mean about stuff being handed to him, but in this day and age young people are facing huge unemployment and lack of opportunities so they need to take them where they can find them.
Completely and utterly agree about the money. That’s madness to just hand an 18 year old that amount of money and expect him to behave responsibly with it. It will be difficult for you to address this with him though, when seemingly he has the approval of his dad and grandparents! £44k sounds like a lot, but it will disappear faster than he thinks if he carries on like this.
What to do though? Try to get your DH on board to help you encourage him to at least put some aside for a house deposit.
He should also be paying some keep- he’s got this money and he’s gonna have a job. Absolutely time to start collecting dig money.

Motherofacertainage · Today 18:08

Sounds like he will fit right in at Cambridge! ;) I can see why you are concerned, he sounds incredibly arrogant but he is young and he is clearly incredibly bright and driven. The school have actually done him a huge favour by annoying him so much that he got the grades to spite them! I grudgingly think they deserve his attitude if they refused to predict him what he needed for Cambridge when he was clearly so able. How did they miss his potential?? Is it the same school he attended since year 7? He is young and you can hope he will develop some humility as he matures and going to Oxbridge may rub off some of his corners as he won’t be the brightest - or certainly not the only very intelligent student. You do have a DH problem, as the mumsnet saying goes, in that he’s encouraging this attitude and I would speak to him and/ or your in laws about your very reasonable concerns about the huge sums of money. Your son is incredibly lucky but I would share your concerns that he might not turn into a nice considerate adult.

randomnamegenerated · Today 18:08

Brokeandold · Today 18:04

Wonder how much student loan he’ll need to take out?
obviously the main loan , £9000 roughly, maybe more as our DS left Uni 2 years ago
but its the maintenance loan that is dependant on household income, Uni costs a fortune…..
we gave our DS around£400 1st/2nd years £600 (3rd/4thyears ) per month to cover food etc
he couldnt work as the study was intense-he did his masters at Oxford
he had worked during 6th form, tried to save money but he certainly needed money from us
just to say we are not a rich family, certainly no extras from Grandparents, he applied for his place under the Oxford opportunity scheme, all state schools, live in a “deprived” area in our town
He never stuck his finger up at any of teachers……

I'm extremely unconvinced by this thread, but giving it the benefit of the doubt, he probably won't need a loan. We didn't have our DCs take them and I know a lot of other people who didn't.

Dorothyperky · Today 18:11

I need to read the full thread to be helpful I think.
I have a boy wonder and I'm a protegy. Oxford after a comp. DD IQ 163.
So place marking and I'll come back to the thread.

Northernlights19 · Today 18:12

H00vervlawnmower · Today 12:56

How times have changed !

My parents gave me
£1 for every O Level that I passed

I started PT work at 16 & worked during all the holidays
My parents gave me small amount of money to go on holidays with my friends when I was a teenager (Duke of Edinburgh group)

Uni - Parents bought something, which is still on my wall today at Graduation

A degree does not guarantee a person a job, it is the soft skills & personality too

My nana made me a trifle for getting into uni and I still think about it! It was one of the best presents I've ever received!

alcovecupboards · Today 18:13

AstonCanKissMyArse · Today 18:06

No, of course there are some crap teachers out there, but OP hasnt suggested that this was a teacher problem.

If it was, how do you think giving them the finger is going to help? Rudeness doesn't solve anything.

Do you really think walking up to someone and sticking your middle finger up in their face, in front of others, is the solution to anything?

Good luck with that, outstanding negotiating skills 👏

Solution to what? There was nothing left to solve - it was clearly a (literal) gesture.

Steeleydan · Today 18:13

He could have saved the money from grandparents to help him through university, without coming out with 60k debt round his neck!

Thisisthecorrectresponse · Today 18:16

Well done, him. Despite negativity from school, he's proven them wrong in a hugely theatrical way! Good for him! Its not an easy thing to do. That said, as others have mentioned, he's potentially screwed himself over a bit by not allowing school to comment accurately on his work and assessments within school. Even thought they are willing to help now, it will be tricky to navigate for them whilst being truly honest, and this could negativity impact his applications.
He's a lucky boy - he's been given many opportunities in life and seems to be making the most of them. Personally, the questions I'd be asking him is how will uni and gap year be funded? He has an opportunity to leave uni with minimal- if any - debt and that will be a real win. Even not having to work in the holidays, freeing himself up to pursue travel or internships is a real bonus IF he doesn't blow it all. I wonder if knowing what his cousins have received, and the privileged life he's been able to live, means he's not taking it seriously that the money is for anything more than playing with; someone will foot the bill ultimately so it doesn't matter.

alcovecupboards · Today 18:16

randomnamegenerated · Today 17:40

Is your son a year behind in school? Because it would be seriously questionable (illegal) for a car company to contract with an under 18...

Oh this is a good one! Please explain the basis of your thinking... Because by that logic - no minors could have jobs.

Theatreobsessed · Today 18:17

Was applying to Cambridge his idea or yours? I wonder if he messed about to get given lower predicted grades because actually he didn’t want to get in?