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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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SUPerSaver721 · Today 16:28

Your husband sounds as aggorant as your son. Your son being bad at school just to annoy the teachers is shocking. I would be throughly ashamed of his behaviour.

SleeplessRoads · Today 16:29

alcovecupboards · Today 15:27

You're missing the point. He did 'buckle down' and his teachers refused to give him adequate predicted grades, and then he decided to play them at their own game.

Well he sure showed them teachers by impacting his own life and not impacting them at all!

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 16:31

SleeplessRoads · Today 16:29

Well he sure showed them teachers by impacting his own life and not impacting them at all!

Yep!

Leavin4 · Today 16:31

I think your concerns are valid. His behaviour doesn’t come across well on here at all. I know many people are motivated by a desire to prove naysayers wrong but he took it way too far and acted like a prick. The ‘I’m too good for that job’ comments are really worrying as you don’t want him regarding his own or other peoples worth on the basis of their job but he’s right a job related to his degree would be great on his application.

On the other hand it sounds like he is a hard working and ambitious young man despite having such a silver spoon start in life so hopefully that will take him far and hopefully he will do some growing up with time. A lot of 18 year olds are a bit full of themselves, it takes a bit more life to teach them some humility. Perhaps he could do some travel with some of that cash he’s been given and that may help him gain some insight into his privilege.

MagicalBagPuss · Today 16:33

Sounds potentially rather like Leonardo di Caprio, Wolf of Wall Street!!!!!

Only partly a joke.

andthat · Today 16:35

NavyRobin · Today 10:53

I am just shocked at his behaviour, all this time we received emails and phone calls from school saying, he is getting 12% on his tests, saying he doesn't know all the time when asked a question in class, teachers offering to help him as they were confused why he was getting such low results. Then at home DH and I see him revising all the time and sticking to a routine, every Saturday he was going to the library for 8 hours, we had his location and were telling the school that he was revising. Turns out he was pretending at school all because his teachers did not want to predict him A stars to apply for Cambridge. The we were having to go to meetings at the school. Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him. He scored the highest in his year group for his Maths A Levels and now the school has to put his name up, DH then says in the car 'that'll teach them' The whole year he was pretending to be stupid at school on purpose. I just do not understand what goes on in a 17-18 year olds mind. Yes he was not predicted great results but in the end we accepted that and told him to just work hard but he decided to act like this instead

Your son has been very selfish @NavyRobin He hasn't given a minutes thought to how that must have worried you both. But then 18 year old's can be selfish and reckless.

Which brings me to the money - let him blow it. Sounds like his grandparents will give him more when he does. And if they don't - then maybe he will value money more when he has to earn it himself.

At this point, he's got people around him making life very cushy for him. Only time will tell if that was a good decision or not.

Retro12 · Today 16:37

NavyRobin · Today 14:40

Also schools cannot really give bad references, he has never been kicked out, has been in the same school since he was 4 years old has a good rapport with the school up until the UCAS predicted grades but has since apologised and explained why he was acting that way to the point his teachers did apologise. I do not take kindly to teachers not trusting us, we told them he is just winding them up, he revises all the time, is well known at the local library because he goes there every Saturday for 8 hours, they said we were lying, we have emails of one of the teachers telling us we are lying and pretty much saying she cannot wait for results day to see his grades subtly telling us he will fail. We chose to just leave them to their thought, we were open with them said he is just winding them up and they should offer the appropriate punishment for his behaviour but nope they just thought he was not doing any work and were waiting for him to fail just to say 'i told you so'

Exactly what I meant up post.... Some teachers are just dicks!!

Perpetualscroller · Today 16:37

Blackbird2020 · Today 11:21

I would be ashamed of my son if he spent a full year deceiving and creating more work for teachers who only wanted the best for their students, in order to get one up on them because they didn’t give HIM what he originally wanted. And sticking his middle finger up at the head of year? Just gross. Your husband sounds like he’s even worse, given he’s actively encouraging it. Urgh.

Sorry, hrtwt but This. Not to mention wasting you and your husband’s time and emotional energy on all those meetings/phone calls. Your son sounds like an entitled little child who needs to grow up. Unfortunately with Dad’s attitude and GPs indulgence I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

A whole year making your husband’s employees lives miserable cause he’s behaving like a prat and they can’t say anything because of who he is won’t help.

Minasama · Today 16:38

I’m 100 percent behind you. He needs to work, and that money should be saved as a house deposit.

I would speak clearly with your DH and explain concisely that he needs to learn how to handle money, that money doesn’t arrive automatically and that DH’s parents are setting you both up for a nightmare as he’ll just expect money to fall in his lap now every time he’s out of work or needs something. DH needs to handle his own parents.

Good A levels are just the start - life takes grit and discipline. Parents teach that, kids don’t miraculously develop it.

Grannalintab · Today 16:41

I don’t understand why the grandparents didn’t emphasise that this money is for uni/college or a house deposit. I’m setting a similar amount aside for my granddaughter but making it very clear to the family that it’s an investment in her future and absolutely not for frittering away.

Doveable · Today 16:42

Haha you’ve really ruffled some feathers on this thread OP!

basically people hate that some are more fortunate than others and get money and opportunities that others don’t get. Yeah it might be ‘unfair’ but it’s life and it’s isn’t equal opportunities for all. Get over it.

on a side note, your ILs must be absolutely minted if they can afford to gift 11 grand children 34k plus a house deposit! I was going to suggest that he should at least pay for some if not all of his uni fees with that money. But you sound like you come from a very wealthy family so that probably won’t be necessary!

Doveable · Today 16:43

Grannalintab · Today 16:41

I don’t understand why the grandparents didn’t emphasise that this money is for uni/college or a house deposit. I’m setting a similar amount aside for my granddaughter but making it very clear to the family that it’s an investment in her future and absolutely not for frittering away.

Because they can afford to give him more as he comes from a very wealthy family. I think the 34k was just the first instalment

YourWildAmberSloth · Today 16:43

alcovecupboards · Today 16:13

Allowing? How does one adult stop another adult from giving money to another adult exactly? It's nothing to do with the OP what her in-laws give their grandchild.

We can agree to disagree, but I think it has everything to do with the parents when the adult is 18, still at school, still living at home and it goes against the values that they want to instill and the person giving them money is a close relative (parent). OP said GP have always been generous with the grandchildren, which suggests this has been an ongoing issue, even before they were adults. As I said, its different if the adult is much older and independent and of course, the grandparents don't have to listen but surely as a parent you have the right to at least try to talk sense into the gifting relative, when you know that the gift might ultimately do more harm then good.

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 16:44

Retro12 · Today 16:37

Exactly what I meant up post.... Some teachers are just dicks!!

Predicted grades are decided by the teacher/head of department/head of sixth form and ultimately the head

No kid is being purposively redicted lower than they can achieve as some kind of game by teachers.

bananaobama · Today 16:44

He sounds like a future Elon!

LaraF89 · Today 16:44

Sounds like a complete spoilt brat to be honest, if he has so much money at his disposal why not do voluntary work for a year?! No job is beneath anyone, I would be horrified if my children said this! I was a cleaner for NatWest banks & now I have well paid job with the civil service after being a social worker for 20 yrs.

pluggedunplugged · Today 16:46

SleeplessRoads · Today 16:29

Well he sure showed them teachers by impacting his own life and not impacting them at all!

Definitely showed those teachers by delaying his life for a year. I think there's a troubling attitude brewing - I'd be concerned. Success in life is about more than exam results.
The money will compound the problem. I'd be very concerned.

YourWildAmberSloth · Today 16:47

NavyRobin · Today 16:17

When they were under 18 most of it DH and I just put into savings for them. We haven’t allowed anything. He was since fifteen this money at 18 we cannot tell him where to put what, his JISA is now his legally by law.

Fair enough, I saw in your update that you had tried to talk to the GP but they went ahead anyway, so at least you tried. I read your original post as if you and DH hadn't objected.

fishonabicycle · Today 16:47

Giving him that amount of money was pretty odd. And his whole attitude of trying to outsmart his teachers (to his own detriment) makes him sound a bit of an arse. Not as clever as his grades make him sound, and he is probably going to carry on being an arse as he can afford to.

SleeplessRoads · Today 16:47

Grannalintab · Today 16:41

I don’t understand why the grandparents didn’t emphasise that this money is for uni/college or a house deposit. I’m setting a similar amount aside for my granddaughter but making it very clear to the family that it’s an investment in her future and absolutely not for frittering away.

Because there’s another payment coming at 25 for the house deposit.

I think they have given it to him precisely so he can fritter away.

THisbackwithavengeance · Today 16:50

He sounds like an entitled brat with a poor attitude. But equally with his obvious intelligence, industry contacts, nepotism and family money, I’m sure he’ll do very, very well in life.

MooseMuff · Today 16:52

NavyRobin · Today 10:53

I am just shocked at his behaviour, all this time we received emails and phone calls from school saying, he is getting 12% on his tests, saying he doesn't know all the time when asked a question in class, teachers offering to help him as they were confused why he was getting such low results. Then at home DH and I see him revising all the time and sticking to a routine, every Saturday he was going to the library for 8 hours, we had his location and were telling the school that he was revising. Turns out he was pretending at school all because his teachers did not want to predict him A stars to apply for Cambridge. The we were having to go to meetings at the school. Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him. He scored the highest in his year group for his Maths A Levels and now the school has to put his name up, DH then says in the car 'that'll teach them' The whole year he was pretending to be stupid at school on purpose. I just do not understand what goes on in a 17-18 year olds mind. Yes he was not predicted great results but in the end we accepted that and told him to just work hard but he decided to act like this instead

Him and his father seems like idiots, sorry. Great that he got all this cash, but don’t Granny & Grandad x2, expect him to go to University? Other the cash incentive was misplaced by him. He sounds like he is going to waste a year along with his money and then by September 2027, he will struggle getting on a course and have no money to fund it!!!
I'm with you, it's too much money to give a (essentially) a child?

MojoMoon · Today 16:54

He should be taking some of that money and going off to see the world for at least six months and grow up a bit.
Not just live at home with his mum doing his laundry while he works with his dad.

Go travel round South America or something. Climb a mountain, do a trek. Look after himself.

user1464187087 · Today 16:56

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 16:10

Parts?!?!

There are many post's on this thread where people have mentioned that the OP's son sounds like he has psychopathic traits.
The OP has just decided to tell us that her friend is a psychiatrist and has laughed off her son's behaviour. I would have put that in the first post.

alcovecupboards · Today 16:56

YourWildAmberSloth · Today 16:43

We can agree to disagree, but I think it has everything to do with the parents when the adult is 18, still at school, still living at home and it goes against the values that they want to instill and the person giving them money is a close relative (parent). OP said GP have always been generous with the grandchildren, which suggests this has been an ongoing issue, even before they were adults. As I said, its different if the adult is much older and independent and of course, the grandparents don't have to listen but surely as a parent you have the right to at least try to talk sense into the gifting relative, when you know that the gift might ultimately do more harm then good.

I suspect we'll disagree. You could potentially make the argument that the OP's husband could get involved but he agrees with his parents. And clearly he's a high achiever and raised another generation of high achievers so they can't be doing that badly.