OMG Miriam Margolyes Andi Peters

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I've got an annual leave day today and am spending the morning shamelessly on the sofa watching daytime TV with cups of tea and biscuits after an exhausting school summer hols. Kids back at school today. I've given myself permission to vegetate till 3:15pm.
So here I am watching This Morning and have just spent 5 minutes with my jaw wide open and hand over my mouth at what Miriam Margolyes just said to Andi Peters.
Did anyone else see it??
I mean it takes a lot to shock me. I am not easily shocked.
And this woman is currently doing a sell out tour??
Whoah.

But this term was heavily used after the the Trans Atlanic slave trade was abolished, and continues to be used. Also not all black people have a brown/deep brown skintone. I guess, in New Orleans and the surrounding areas, also Chicago and the surrounding areas will still have a high population of this type of black person. But yes, they are not all mixed race.

Absolutely I have. It was the next thing I did after posting here.
Please note the plural word in my final sentence of that post.

Well, she might well feel able to speak freely because she is gay and Jewish, who knows. But none of that gives her a free pass to make racist comments, and if she wasn't inherently racist, she wouldn't feel the need to make such comments in any case.

I genuinely don't understand what people think racism even means if people can make blatantly racist comments but then get defended as not really being racist because they obviously assumed that they could say what they liked with impunity?

Surely, if you say racist things, that makes you racist. No?

It is a known phrase in black communities. I'd think Andi Peters does know of it but he was at work and this topic wasn't the point of the interview with MM.

For someone who comes across as a bit of an intellectual snob and often refers to her Cambridge days, she’s pretty ignorant with some of her comments.

If someone from an entirely different background made the same poorly judged remarks, their lack of education would be the excuse.

What is hers?

I haven't seen the programme but why was she talking about the colour of someone's skin anyway? That's incredibly inappropriate. She knows when she's being inappropriate, of course - she realises that the worse she is the more attention she gets. Awful woman.

Again. I have not said all. Stop inventing my position to try and goad an argument.

Not in my circles either, but in the country as a whole, for sure. Even people from who aren’t, on balance racist, from that generation can use inappropriate terms. Never heard anyone use “high yellow” though, since probably the 19th c.

It’s well known that people of your age are mindless idiots.

So unsurprising. She's really an awful person.

@Gloriia I've only seen her in Call The Midwife and Blackadder, but the general consensus seems to be that she's a good actress. From what I've seen she's nothing special but maybe she had other, better roles and gave spectacular performances.

Is it the same as mulatto? I’ve the sense that’s a term used in Jane Eyre.

I recall seeing her on one of those programmes where elderly famous people visit another country - in this case it was Russia.

All the other folk seemed to be at least polite to the Russians they met; MM was not.

I recall wondering why she'd even gone. She clearly blamed ordinary Russian people for the actions of their leader. If she thinks that Russia holds free and fair elections, then I have three bridges in Fife that I'd like to sell her.

For decades but not forever right?

I don’t think racism is unacceptable in society, it’s everywhere. It’s certainly not unacceptable on MN

She thinks she is funny because she is old and likes to be outrageous. And she is allowed to get away with it . Makes herself sound moronic . Crass, vulgar but her biggest crime to me is that she simply isn't funny or amusing.

I didn't say it was OK for anyone to use. I wanted to point out that this term is still in use and it's not fading just yet. Also, there are some black people who use this term as a positive because they are of a very light skintone which many see as attractive.

And what do you think my age is?

I recall that in the '70s she was known for providing voice-overs or dubbing for adverts.

Famously (at the time) she provided the sultry dubbing for a cigar advert.

Yes, she does identify with her education. I rather think she doesn’t accept linguistic confines and is being a bit punk rock about the rules.

She is actually performatively (is that a word?) woke normally. She would say in response to this that she is just interested in heritage. She has become a complete bore. I am a former fan of hers, found her amusing, but she has become unpleasant in both body (all that farting) and spirit.

Didn't see it (live in US) but I've seen her before on various shows. Whatever it was doesn't surprise me. She's one of the most vulgar attention seekers I've ever come across.

Neither. She has just invented a character out of being “shocking”.

Oh hang on, wasn't she the voice of a rabbit on a chocolate advert? It's coming back to me now!

Name changed for this post.

I was a dog walking friend of a cousin of Miriam Margolyes until their death a few years ago. They were roughly the same age and they could not stand her.

When they had there Golden Wedding Anniversary they didn’t want to invite her to the celebration as she made every family event about her and the more people tried to ignore her attention seeking behaviour the worse she would behave. They said her favourite thing to do was focus on one or two family members and basically embarrass them to the point they would want to leave the event. My friend and partner ended up doing two celebrations and only inviting her to the small one with only a few other family members. That way everyone was able to enjoy the larger celebration without worrying about what she would do to focus the attention on herself.

They really couldn’t abide her and they their children and the extended family all tried to avoid her if possible due to her behaviour over decades. Over the years I met quite a few of their family members and they were all nice people, I was invited to the larger anniversary celebration and it was a lovely occasion.

"It's well known that people from older generations are racist in a way that would not be considered unacceptable now."

You missed out the word 'SOME'.

If anyone reads the Fethering mysteries by SImon Brett, the most recent one (Death in the Dressing Room) has a character who is clearly based on Margolyes. And who is highly unsympathetic. Brett was a Radio 4 producer for years so I imagine they enountered each other