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OMG Miriam Margolyes Andi Peters

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Temptree · Yesterday 12:16

I've got an annual leave day today and am spending the morning shamelessly on the sofa watching daytime TV with cups of tea and biscuits after an exhausting school summer hols. Kids back at school today. I've given myself permission to vegetate till 3:15pm.
So here I am watching This Morning and have just spent 5 minutes with my jaw wide open and hand over my mouth at what Miriam Margolyes just said to Andi Peters.
Did anyone else see it??
I mean it takes a lot to shock me. I am not easily shocked.
And this woman is currently doing a sell out tour??
Whoah.

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Burred · Yesterday 14:06

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Yesterday 13:57

Miriam Margolyes is 85. We are not talking about a generation which is learning that racism is wrong in their old age. Racism has been considered unacceptable throughout most of her adult life. If she was exposed to racism as a child, she has had many decades in which to re-educate herself. Her age is neither an explanation or an excuse, and it is terribly ageist to argue that she is old so doesn't know any better.

Absolutely. My DM and MiL are both in their 80's and would be bloody horrified at any of their friends saying anything like this.

LoafofSellotape · Yesterday 14:06

UnpopularOpinionsIWouldUsuallyKeepToMyself · Yesterday 13:00

And whatever else she is, she isn't stupid, she knows exactly how offensive that particular outdated term would be and exactly what its etymology is.

Yes she does, she used it to shock and offend and is getting a thrill from it. Vile woman. Hopefully that'll be the end of seeing her on telly,no one will book her now.

MissSookieStackhouse · Yesterday 14:06

OMG, I’ve only read that term in literature / films about slavery in the Deep South! Typically used as a slur by wicked plantation owners. It’s a shocking thing to say to anyone and absolutely belongs in the history books. She’s a revolting woman. I’m not a fan of cancel culture, but jeez if this means MM stops getting booked for TV interviews where she can’t spout her filth then I won’t be sorry to see the back of her.

Ratherhaveacupofteaandabiscuit · Yesterday 14:08

AnswerIsNo · Yesterday 13:58

I have no idea who Miriam Gargoyles is

did a quick google and thought "Poundshop Joe Brand, but with a bag of chips on both shoulders"

If you mean Jo Brand, Jo was/ is a highly intelligent woman who unlike MM does not employ toilet humour or try to shock simply for the sake of it.
Yes, she was straight talking but it was a million miles from farting Miriam asking people what colour they are.

NovemberMorn · Yesterday 14:09

Waitingfordoggo · Yesterday 13:58

That poster also used a double negative. ‘Would not be considered unacceptable now’. I had to read it three times to be sure what he/she meant.

It makes even less sense with the double negative.🤔

TooOrangey · Yesterday 14:09

Why do shows keep giving this vile old trout a platform? ‘Ooh, she said she creamed her knickers! Isn’t she just hilarious?’ 🤨

Aluna · Yesterday 14:14

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Yesterday 13:57

Miriam Margolyes is 85. We are not talking about a generation which is learning that racism is wrong in their old age. Racism has been considered unacceptable throughout most of her adult life. If she was exposed to racism as a child, she has had many decades in which to re-educate herself. Her age is neither an explanation or an excuse, and it is terribly ageist to argue that she is old so doesn't know any better.

Racism is acceptable everywhere, actually. On MN. Social media. Broader media. Society.

We’ve just watched a black man be kicked to death in the media. And MNers joined in.

So rather than wagging your finger at me, I’d suggest you look around yourself a bit more carefully.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 14:14

WearyAuldWumman · Yesterday 13:51

I recall that in the '70s she was known for providing voice-overs or dubbing for adverts.

Famously (at the time) she provided the sultry dubbing for a cigar advert.

To be fair the BT ads she did with Maureen Lipman were funny.

Andylion · Yesterday 14:14

Dancingsquirrels · Yesterday 12:18

Didn't see the show, but she's unnecessarily vulgar and crude. not a fan at all

Yes, that seems to be her thing. I don’t find her funny at all.

Marellain · Yesterday 14:14

EarthaKittsVoice · Yesterday 14:04

Well there is an American rapper called 'Latto' she had to drop her original artist name of 'Mulatto' to appease people who found it not appropiate.

Interesting. The rules about language are very nuanced and particular and do evolve and change, and differ across social demographics. It might be that we aren’t actually allowed to even talk about certain words let alone use them.

And yet the word cunt is used casually in everyday parlance here, whereas in my childhood it was considered the most brutal of profanities. And calling women bitches is now normalised, even though I’m old fashioned enough to find it very offensive.

word policing: I’m not actually clear that it equates to thought policing.. can you think mysogynist thoughts, if you erase mysogynists language. I guess it remains to be seen.

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 14:14

Temptree · Yesterday 13:58

Yes I found this confusing actually. You're right, she did say at the end "I haven't said anything wrong have I?" in a rather dramatic faux innocent voice/facial expression, and the bit that confused me was that Andi himself replied "No you haven't". And Christine said "You've been lovely".
She'd said multiple 'wrong' things in 7 minutes. The abject racism towards Andi. The mocking of Christine's accent. The shaming of this unknown daughter with her mother in a care home (she even used the word "shoved" in to a care home in relation to the elderly woman she is apparently visiting this afternoon).
IDK maybe they just wanted to hurry up and get her off their couch. But I really hope they were both thinking something totally different in their minds.
How can we get this mumsnet thread to Andi & Christine? I want them both to read it!

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It's so manipulative - her entire outrageously offensive schtick exploits the social convention that it's rude to make a fuss. It's quite Trump like.

EarthaKittsVoice · Yesterday 14:19

Marellain · Yesterday 14:14

Interesting. The rules about language are very nuanced and particular and do evolve and change, and differ across social demographics. It might be that we aren’t actually allowed to even talk about certain words let alone use them.

And yet the word cunt is used casually in everyday parlance here, whereas in my childhood it was considered the most brutal of profanities. And calling women bitches is now normalised, even though I’m old fashioned enough to find it very offensive.

word policing: I’m not actually clear that it equates to thought policing.. can you think mysogynist thoughts, if you erase mysogynists language. I guess it remains to be seen.

Also, regarding the rapper 'Latto' - it was when her music was breaking internationally that she changed her name. It was fine and acceptable in America but would probably cause issues abroad.

NovemberMorn · Yesterday 14:19

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 14:14

It's so manipulative - her entire outrageously offensive schtick exploits the social convention that it's rude to make a fuss. It's quite Trump like.

I agree. Her wide-eyed faux innocence when she is relaying one of her disgusting little stories, her beady little eyes searching faces for a glimpse of embarrassment or outrage...she loves it.

In the past I have seen her guesting on Graham Norton shows; why he heck he encourages her, I do not know.

zanahoria · Yesterday 14:20

NovemberMorn · Yesterday 14:19

I agree. Her wide-eyed faux innocence when she is relaying one of her disgusting little stories, her beady little eyes searching faces for a glimpse of embarrassment or outrage...she loves it.

In the past I have seen her guesting on Graham Norton shows; why he heck he encourages her, I do not know.

He does it he is that sort of person too

AnonyMumAuDHD · Yesterday 14:21

Temptree · Yesterday 12:37

Well, I mean, I think she was racist.
She said to Andi "I bet you've got a black father and a white mother haven't you".
No context.
None.
Andi wasn't talking about his heritage.
He said "Actually both my parents are black". She acted surprised and said "Oh you look like a high yella"
Andy looked like he hadn't heard of this description so she elaborated by saying "It's what American people call black people who are a lighter shade of black"
Andy said he didn't know you could get 'different shades' which was said with an understandable sarcastic tone in his voice and he looked shocked.
She went on to say "Well it doesn't matter, we welcome people, we'll be inclusive......"
WTF? We need to be inclusive? Andi was born here, in Chelsea.
OMG
So many assumptions made by her based on his race. And blurting them out on national TV!
Christine Lampard looked like she just didn't know what to say.
Then Miriam was saying she's got strong views about people coming in to the country but at that point they cut her off and wrapped up the interview.
Disclaimer - this is not exact quotes. I was so shocked I can't remember verbatim.

I’m afraid as soon as I saw her on the roster I switched over (also having a veg day… well, supposed to be clearing a months worth of ironing so my DS has clean clothes for uni LOL).

I think she is a despicable human being. Very few people I really do not like and would leave a pub/restaurant if I walked in a saw them, but she, Polanski and Farage are in the list of people’s whose presence I could not stomach.

Poor Andi.

RichPetuniaAgain · Yesterday 14:21

I hate Miriam Margoyles. I don't know why anyone would have her on their show considering she seems to think everyone wants to know about her sexual past. We don't, so please go away.

PerkingFaintly · Yesterday 14:21

She went on to say "Well it doesn't matter, we welcome people, we'll be inclusive......"
WTF? We need to be inclusive? Andi was born here, in Chelsea.

Fucking hell.

Who is "we", Miriam?

Do you see yourself as "we"? But Andi Peters as not?

Who the hell are you to set yourself up welcoming him to his own damn country?

bafta16 · Yesterday 14:22

LimeShade · Yesterday 12:19

I saw it. She’s always been a dick and I don’t know why she gets airtime

Very very sadly, she was a fine actress.

Now she is an embarassing fool.

zanahoria · Yesterday 14:24

I just can't stand her bullshit, she tells stupid stories that obviously aren't true pushing people to call her out on it but they are just too polite and decent to do so.

She is not outrageous just boorish

BillieWiper · Yesterday 14:24

Why did she think one of his parents is white? Obviously you can't anyways tell but to me Andi has the appearance of a lighter skinned black person. Not mixed. Some might say he sounds kind of 'white' because he's 'posh' and gay but again that's a stereotype. But what's it got to do with anything anyway?

He used to go to my gym. (Also nothing to do with anything!) It was quite a small place and it was clear he didn't want to be noticed. Which was awkward as he always seemed to be on the machine directly in front of my line of vision!

God knows why she asked that, if it was completely out of context? I didn't see it but if they were talking about racism or black people or mixed race people as part of a feature, then just about. But even then.

I think she's just become this rent a gob that can get away with being super offensive because she's old. And it's meant to be highly amusing hearing an octogenarian woman yelling 'cunt' or 'fanny flaps' or whatever nonsense.

Temptree · Yesterday 14:28

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 14:14

It's so manipulative - her entire outrageously offensive schtick exploits the social convention that it's rude to make a fuss. It's quite Trump like.

Yes, I think you're right in that it was manipulative of her.
She leaned forward and extended her arms open and pulled a concerned facial expression and changed the tone of her voice to almost pleading "I haven't said anything wrong have I?".
I didn't buy it.
So yes I suppose Andi and Christine immediately thought to reassure her, in the way people do with manipulative behaviour, because it immediately makes you feel wrong for 'making a fuss'.
Although I do still hope that they were actually secretly thinking "Just fuck off right now you racist, offensive woman" whilst maintaining pretend polite social niceties for the sake of daytime TV.

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Seeingadistance · Yesterday 14:28

Marellain · Yesterday 13:09

Your theory, I’m sorry, sounds like fiction at the expense of people you dislike rather than anything credible.

I thought it was a good and fair assessment of this kind of deliberately offensive and attention-seeking behaviour.

WiddlinDiddlin · Yesterday 14:28

She can be really vile - on the other hand, this is hardly new information and shows keep inviting her on, and they absolutely KNOW she will say something wildly offensive or inappropriate in some way..

SO I can only conclude they do this KNOWING how she will behave because they want the ratings and the discussions that will arise - such as this one.

Tbh, I have more issue with the people who decided to have MM on than MM herself - she's not changing now, I don't actually think she is racist (as in, I don't think she believes one colour or race of person is superior to another), but she says whatever she thinks will get the biggest reaction, and doesn't give a fuck if it upsets anyone, which you could argue makes her no better. I do think she thinks as an old lady and a jewish lesbian she has some sort of 'pass' to say what she likes.

Fizbosshoes · Yesterday 14:33

Ratherhaveacupofteaandabiscuit · Yesterday 14:03

She always makes judgemental personal remarks and seems to think this perfectly permissible instead of the height of rudeness.

I watched telling her producer how fat he was not long ago. Why does anybody need to do that?

She has no boundaries and here she is crossing another one today with AP.

Her crude sexual comments seem to go down a storm with some gay men in particular, see Graham Norton and Alan Cummings, but the things she says aren’t funny. They are just vulgar.

I would love to see her career fade away.

Horribly smug and mean minded woman for all her pretence at kindness and humility.

I saw her on Graham Norton a few times and other guests (both sexes) are squirming with awkwardness and how gross (and unfunny) her story is while Graham Norton is laughing along with her