Stopping the boats is easy...

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All we have to do is abandon the ECHR, the Refugee Convention, the UN, the G7, NATO and the WTO. Then we can break maritime law and start sinking the boats. Obviously we'd have to proscribe the RNLI and change the job description of the coast guard to encourage people who want to sink boats to sign up. The fishermen will be fine.
Once we start with this deterrent we can start kicking out other undesirables. I'd start with the students. Coming over here using our universities as a gateway to benefits street. So we ban them, no more student visas. We might see a few universities close but no great loss, you learn more in the school of life.
After that take away access to ALL benefits for anyone not born here. Don't care if you've always worked and paid your taxes you're not ENGERLISH so less Dr Khalid more Dr Callum.
Obviously once we start making Britain Great again there may be a couple of teensy issues. Food might cost a lot more because the lefty EU might not want to trade with a nation that wants to isolate itself and kill innocent people. It'll be fine because there will be 100% employment because instead of benefits you'll have to do your 60 hours on the food farm to earn your pound credits.
Family will be legally obliged to look after any living relative as there won't be anyone left to do it because we deported them all. And obviously the NHS was full of loony lefties who went round caring for people instead of focusing on what really mattered, which is profit.
They're just a couple of the benefits of stopping the boats, because who cares about the bigger picture or unintended consequences eh?
Giving up our place on the world stage is a small price to pay for stopping a handful of people coming from countries we benefited from or bombed isn't it?

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Reform ran on leaving the ECHR in 2024. It wasn't a big vote winner for them. I am not sure it is on many voters' radar.

The pp wondered why it couldn’t be resolved easily, it’s pretty much this. 2024 isn’t really an indication of the next GE outcome though.

What 2029 looks like I guess we’ll see, it’s a fair way off. Hard to predict.

Thank you this is the most sensible answer I have been given. So its not possible due to the ehcr? I can indeed see many people nervous about losing the ehcr especially with its links to Churchill.

But are there not other international treaties some of the solutions suggested would breach or other diplomatic problems it would cause thst are also very challenging. I dont personally want to be at loggerheads with France gor instance.

To be fair, there have been quite a few dead kids washed up on beaches, so it’s not just the fit and able trying to make the crossing.
Does that make it better?

The Australians manage it???!! Why can’t we??!!

I seem to remember that Sunak pays a lower rate of tax than a typical nurse.
You can spin that how you like, but rich people are typically asset rich, and don’t pay anything like the tax that would be fair.

A draconian immigration policy enabled by the proximity of poor island nations where would-be immigrants can be dumped.
Australia is currently having lots of ‘deport all Indians’ demonstrations. You wouldn’t want to be near those - puts our former NF in the shade.

Sunak pays plenty of tax. He pays more in a year than a nurse in her whole lifetime.

And he and his parents are law-abiding, contributing assets to the country.

Yes

Both statements could be true.

I don’t so much object to the fact that the very rich exploit legal loopholes as to the existence of those loopholes. The underlying principle that the very rich can pay lower rates than a nurse, which is true, is not right.

It's on investment income.... We need people investing to have economic growth

No it doesn't, but review all the pictures of people leaving the boats and the majority are males under 40. The kids are sadly the ones most likely to die should there be an accident, or a need to lighten the load.

To be fair, there have been quite a few dead kids washed up on beaches, so it’s not just the fit and able trying to make the crossing.
Does that make it better?

Anyone endangering their child to get from France to Britain needs to be locked up.

Tbf it makes it worse. Why support a system that does this?

We really shouldn't be surprised at children being disposable. The last 3 years has shown this, as awful as it is. People can try to claim racism all they want, when the truth of the matter is some extreme cultures don't place value on life outside that of a man.

I was being ironic.

Locked up?!!!!
You have absolutely no f*ing idea what some of these people have been through to get here.
Read ‘Sea Prayer’ by Khaled Hosseini, it’s a 48 page picture book, and try not to cry.

Yes of course locked up! France may not be their preferred country but they're quite safe there, so to then put a small child on a dinghy is reckless endangerment.
Not expecting that basic standard of care towards children is total racism of low expectations stuff.

I can think of few more serious crimes related to childcare than taking a child on one of these thrice-damned vessels, especially if you are in a safe country like France.

I realise this. I agree we need growth and we invest. It is only partially true anyway.

The difference could be lessened. A priority could close be to close tax loopholes, and we could consider taxing offshore income.

Think I will save my tears for Rhiannon Whyte's little boy, growing up without his mother. My tears are for a mother who lost her daughter and how she's going to have the awful task of explaining events, when he's older.

I thought for UK tax residents you're already taxed on global income

The west has issues. But it's always been a safe place to be a woman than the nations these migrants come from..you find British men dangerous, these men are even worse