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To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

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ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

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AtIusvue · 19/08/2026 08:16

OP I think you’re struggling that this is the end of the road for parental influence and realising that you may not particularly like the people your children have become.

This is it, this is who they are. We can argue if its nature/nurture but makes no difference to the outcome.

Even if she was to volunteer, work in a customer facing role….who says it will teach her kindness, empathy, how other people live? She may become more hardened in her views etc

I think you have to accept, that your mind, your adult children haven’t turned out to be particularly pleasant people, lack understanding of the real world etc.

Maybe you’ve had too high expectations, maybe because you tried so hard for them you expect nothing but perfection? That the kids knew this and thought grades/status are the only important things about a person.
Would you have accepted a kind and pleasant DD who loved to volunteer but didn’t want to go to uni or have a career? Wanted to settle down and have kids early? I’m not sure you would. I think you would be just as disappointed.

Your kids aren’t perfect, you aren’t perfect as a parent. But for the sake of your relationship, you have to find a way to like your kids. You also have to accept that they are set in the people who they are, you as a parent, can do no more. Let go and try your best to feel joy in your kids.

Isobel201 · 19/08/2026 08:16

I struggled to get a job in the supermarkets, and ended up getting a full time job in the civil service starting in HMRC. I'm still here twenty years later albeit in another department.

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 19/08/2026 08:18

I think you're right to be concerned about her being spoilt.

I wonder if there's another way around this that doesn't mean she misses out on a year's valuable work experience?.

And I'm curious whether it might be worth trying a different approach with your parents - rather than pointing out how they've contributed to the problem and asking them to stop, maybe ask their advice. "Mum, I need your help. I'm so worried about DD's attitude - she's quite spoilt and demanding. Have you got any wisdom for me?"

Might well not work, but you're daughter's character qualities are so important that it's worth a try.

Divebar2021 · 19/08/2026 08:19

I totally get where you’re coming from. It’s all very bouji isn’t it? Very “ naice”. I did some shit jobs growing up and it meant i
mixed with a variety of people and learned to get along with them ok and they saw that I could get stuck in. At 29 I moved to London and joined the Met and had a very full career working a tough job. It’s not that I want my own DD to have a rough time from work but it’s beneficial to see the level of your own privilege. My own DD is only 14 but she’s volunteered as part of her Duke of Edinburgh but I think going forward I would want her to re-visit that. I’m retired now but volunteer each week because if you want to be in a caring community then you actually have to put into it. Your DH sounds like a bit of a bore to be honest.

I think it would be beneficial for her to work in a different law firm at least where other employees will be able to treat her like any other intern / junior. Alternatively you could make it a condition that if she works for either of you that she volunteers for a few hours a week - maybe a food bank rather than the local literary festival.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 08:21

MotherOfCrocodiles · 19/08/2026 08:15

Id just point out that in terms of future job applications, a reference for her mum or mum’s firm might not be accepted (not in law, but in my field it would not).

  1. how would they know if was a family business?
  2. law is a very very very common family business where children follow their parents into a firm and take on the partnership when their parent retires. I have a firm down the road from me which always makes me smile as it is ‘xxxxx and Daughters’.

when did working in the family business become so frowned upon. Many parents would be overjoyed that their children wanted to join them.

Editng to add- all the dentists I know followed their parents into dentistry doing work experience working at their family business.

WorthyMintKoala · 19/08/2026 08:23

I don’t think only having non typical teenage jobs is necessarily the issue - at the end of the day she has been working. I can understand her not wanting to do a supermarket etc job now, I wouldn’t expect it pays as well as work she can get with you or her dad and that I’d expect that’s quite a driver.

However going to grandparents is more of a concern. Did she outright ask them for a car? I can understand any disappointment you have in this sort of behaviour, and I would be clearly stating I disapprove of this, and I’d be dropping in phrases about taking advantage of vulnerable elderly people to drive it home.

Dery · 19/08/2026 08:26

Also, just picking up the comment that working in law will cement her privilege: absolutely not. Many areas of law deal with serious suffering/tough situations/extremely hurt or damaged or sometimes dangerous people. And those that don’t directly often have serious pro bono initiatives running. Volunteering would help your DD’s credentials as well as being a useful learning experience.

Sartre · 19/08/2026 08:27

I understand your perspective. She’s clearly incredibly bright and has worked very hard to get those grades. I agree a gap year and applying to Cambridge makes complete sense, she shouldn’t struggle to get a place with 4 A*s.

I get the feeling you want it to feel meritocratic and not as though she’s had a major leg up working for your solicitors firm prior to even studying law. Maybe encourage her to apply widely for those kind of jobs but she might find it difficult, jobs are hard to come by for everyone at the minute. If she struggles, THEN you should hire her so she isn’t sitting on her hands for a year.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 08:28

This young woman has basically every privilege going and her parents are right to be disappointed that she has no intention of stretching herself.

Her outstanding A level results and desire to gain a place at Cambridge are indicative that she’s stretching herself. What would stretch her in working in a supermarket or a cafe? There are plenty of kids who really need those jobs and not enough of them to go round, in what world is it a moral option for her to take one of them?

pastadish · 19/08/2026 08:29

My children are very privileged we have given them everything because we can. we came from ‘nothing’ and didn’t want our children to have the same shitty life we had, we did worry that because they haven’t had to struggle they won’t have the drive to make something of their lives but that hasn’t been the case. We bought home cas and driving lessons and supported them through school and uni etc. But they went to uni, got jobs, had goals and are doing what people do. They did work in supermarkets and shops whilst at uni because that’s the part time job they could get. If they could get a job in an art gallery I wouldn’t have cared I would have been over the moon that they had any sort of job.
They never had the life we had because that’s not the life we gave them, they can’t do anything about that but it doesn’t mean they don’t have their own life experience and skills, it’s just different to mine and dh’s life experience and no one in their right mind would want to recreate that life for anyone!

cloudtreecarpet · 19/08/2026 08:29

Ugh, is this silly thread still running?

There are young people around struggling with their mental health, unable to get any job at all, worried about debts and yet here we are discussing privileged children with good exam results, wealthy parents who support them, lucrative holiday jobs and endless opportunities...

Seriously! 🤷‍♀️

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 19/08/2026 08:31

Your daughter sounds lovely, extremely interesting, clearly very bright, and obviously knows her own mind and goals. She's been privileged, but i wouldn't say spoilt. As PPs say, having a car for her 18th birthday wasn't unusual, I was given a very clapped out old A-reg VW Polo.

Ideally, yes real world and real life work is great, but I think it's probably quite different these days to when I worked in customer services roles like shelf stacking, waitressing, etc during my teenage years. Getting any casual work like that for young people is good, but not as common as when I was younger, and it is certainly brilliant your bright daughter is very keen to work in a prestigious role for you, and not shirk work completely.

Why is it so important she has to get some work in retail/customer services roles? These aren't exactly easy to get, plus I don't remember them being particularly life enhancing or enjoyable. I'd say she's more likely to get some good experience doing work for you, particularly if she's considering a law degree. And isn't a brilliant thing that she's been taking her options seriously, so taking a year out, then maybe reapply to Oxbridge? She sounds tenacious and driven. You should be proud and encouraging her.

HoldingOntoMySanity · 19/08/2026 08:34

I am just a bit surprised that a parent can express such disappointment in three very accomplished hard working committed children.

maybe check YOUR privilege before despising them for theirs.

And I agree- the description is incredibly outing.

FlakyFox · 19/08/2026 08:35

I wish I could give my children privileges like that.

Working at b&m for 6 months made my son depressed. I don’t know why you’d want your daughter to do that when you can give her so much more experience.

turnthefanonpls · 19/08/2026 08:35

shes grown up with privilege so she should take advantage of it. Why make her struggle and experience customer service if there’s no need for her too? She will likely never do that type of job. She may be a bit spoilt but looking at your life, her father’s life and your parents, she likely won’t ever experience struggle and that’s ok! I say that as someone who grew up on poverty and could only dream of having parents like you. Don’t wish struggle on her. She does work and is open to working, plenty of people go on to work in their family business. I don’t think you’ve spoiled her, you’ve just taught her to be resourceful and utilise what she has around her. I’ve also never done a customer service or waitress job, I went straight into admin at 16.

IHaveQuestionsLotsOfQuestions · 19/08/2026 08:37

There’s nothing wrong with wanting nice things and having high standards for yourself. I can’t see what your DD has done wrong. She knows what she wants and knows how to get it. It doesn’t sound like she’s hurting anyone.

Butchyrestingface · 19/08/2026 08:41

ThePM · 19/08/2026 07:21

You think she has done very little wrong? I beg to differ.

She obviously isn’t academically lazy we will give her that. However she has become an entitled, graceless and ultimately cowardly person. She is afraid to face life on anything except the easiest settings. She will never actually be able to say I did that fully by myself, because she will always want the financial and emotional safety net.

It’s one thing to work in Mum’s business, many of my nieces and nephews have done that, but at least they were public facing, had scheduled shifts and reported to the floor manager and not Mummy. This young woman is coasting, but it is the cowardice making her run away from proper work which would really tick me off.

You use very extreme language to characterise an 18 yo girl on a gap year who IS prepared to work. She wants to work in a field that she intends to qualify in, which seems a focussed and sensible approach, imo.

I would think that as a parent one would WANT her to get relevant experience in that field, and even better that she is able to do so before going to university. What if turns out she hates law and the experience puts her off entirely? Surely better to know that before you go off and do a 4 year degree in the subject?

As to your claim on another post that her parents are right to be disappointed in her: her father isn't disappointed. OP stated he told her she's over thinking things. OP also revealed that her husband refuses to volunteer because he's unwilling to 'work for free' (nice!). That is 50% of the example which has been modelled to this girl and her brother.

If anything, OP should be disappointed in her grown-ass husband but for some reason she focuses it on a teenage girl.

AlleycatMarie · 19/08/2026 08:41

I didn’t work a day in my life until I graduated, got a brand new car for my 17th etc. Didn’t do me any harm or diminish my work ethic when I did begin work. You say DD has never worked hard for anything, yet achieved amazing A Levels. However clever she is, that took hard work too. I honestly think you need to reframe how you think about her. Also your son, who has done amazing to get the JP Morgan experience!

BadSkiingMum · 19/08/2026 08:42

The world of work is changing, jobs are disappearing and I think many, many parents would envy your ability to provide skilled and fulfilling employment for your children.

I also think you are over-romanticising the value of ordinary jobs. I was out working Saturday and part-time jobs from the age of thirteen 😱 (it was the nineties!) and looking back I am not sure if it was all really necessary. My parents had told me that I needed to save up to pay for university. But the downsides were that I was working long tiring days and exposed to adult environments far too early, including sexual harassment. Thankfully not while I was underage, but even at 17 it was daunting to navigate the creepy chef who would make me push past him in a small kitchen space or stand there staring at me in his dressing gown (he lived on site) while I was trying to work.

But I am not even sure that any of this was particularly valued by employers. I got my first job on the strength of a vacation scheme, which I had probably got on the strength of university extracurriculars.

Just tell her that she either needs to do some volunteering alongside working in your office or work for another law firm. Hard work will come to her in time, particularly when she is a young trainee at a large firm.

Her father’s remark about working ‘for free’ was not helpful, but I would ask him to reframe that as ‘never working for free for a profit-making enterprise’. When you work as a volunteer you are unpaid, but benefit in other ways.

How about Citizens Advice volunteering? It is relevant to the law and she would certainly encounter some real life there!

Divebar2021 · 19/08/2026 08:43

AlleycatMarie · 19/08/2026 08:41

I didn’t work a day in my life until I graduated, got a brand new car for my 17th etc. Didn’t do me any harm or diminish my work ethic when I did begin work. You say DD has never worked hard for anything, yet achieved amazing A Levels. However clever she is, that took hard work too. I honestly think you need to reframe how you think about her. Also your son, who has done amazing to get the JP Morgan experience!

You are possibly not the judge of “ harm” though are you?

Sam9769 · 19/08/2026 08:43

cloudtreecarpet · Yesterday 21:59
I'm sorry but this is the worst "first world problem" thread I have read in a long while! In fact I could barely finish your initial post.

This! Wake up!

FlakyFox · 19/08/2026 08:44

turnthefanonpls · 19/08/2026 08:35

shes grown up with privilege so she should take advantage of it. Why make her struggle and experience customer service if there’s no need for her too? She will likely never do that type of job. She may be a bit spoilt but looking at your life, her father’s life and your parents, she likely won’t ever experience struggle and that’s ok! I say that as someone who grew up on poverty and could only dream of having parents like you. Don’t wish struggle on her. She does work and is open to working, plenty of people go on to work in their family business. I don’t think you’ve spoiled her, you’ve just taught her to be resourceful and utilise what she has around her. I’ve also never done a customer service or waitress job, I went straight into admin at 16.

I went to school with a lot of privileged children. I was not one of them, sadly. It was a selective school, but I was one of the only ones from a working class background.

Even though we went to the same school and on paper, had the same opportunity, we really didn’t. Their parents were mostly like you, OP, and could offer immediate connections and experiences. They have all done amazingly in life, I didn’t. I had to leave school work in a chippy at 16 to help pay the bills so we didn’t go under.

Why would you want your daughter to do some shitty, soul destroying job she doesn’t have to, just so she can experience being from a non privileged background for a bit?

It makes no sense. And sorry for the projecting - but your daughter is incredibly lucky.

Working in some shit shop for rubbish pay and working conditions isn’t some experience she’s missing out on. Be happy that you can give her a leg up in life.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 08:45

Divebar2021 · 19/08/2026 08:43

You are possibly not the judge of “ harm” though are you?

What harm could it have caused?

FlyingApple · 19/08/2026 08:49

As me and DH grew up with no parental support, we really had to make something of ourselves but what would've been the point if we didn't make life easier for our own kids? I have given mine everything that I could and I would do it again. Mine aren't brats, they've worked for us before and they're confident and feel supported. I don't understand you.

MyPurpleHeart · 19/08/2026 08:51

I don't think its the actual job OP was referring to but more that she wants her daughter to go out and work for someone else.

There is a big difference between working an office job for a company and working an office job for your parents.

Let her take the year doing admin work at another unrelated law firm. Where she wont get special treatment by default and she will learn a thing or two about making it on your own steam