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To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

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ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

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Loveseat · 19/08/2026 17:28

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:40

So 10 percent of Oxford offers come from very high-achieving, academically selective schools. 8 of them are private and 6 of them are state - so, it's not really such a massive difference for that 10 percent, is it?

But that's not even the point. What I take issue with is your stance that if you come from an advantaged background it is 'easy' to get into Oxbridge.

You seem to be forgetting that the private schools listed here are enormously competitive to get into in the first place. These are highly academic kids in the first place. Yes, the private schools listed here mean parents can afford to pay the fees (unless they are on a bursary). Yes, students will be given extensive academic support that will help their application. Yes, they are more likely to be encouraged to apply to Oxbridge than they might at an average state school.

But Oxbridge admissions know this. They know that someone who grew up in Hampstead and went to a high achieving private school is coming from a place of advantage over and above someone who went to a failing comp and grew up on a rough estate. That's why they do admissions contextually, and why your constant insistence that it's a breeze to get into Oxbridge if you are from an advantaged background just isn't true. You cannot buy your way in.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/08/2026 17:31

Tbh working for a solicitor’s firm sounds much better experience than doing a customer service job when she has no plans to do anything similar for a living.

”The real world” is whatever world you happen to be living in.

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:32

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 16:49

I don't think it obvious at all that because someone has faced challenges in life that they are more resilient. Some life challenges can actually make people less resilient. Also, it may be the case the OP's dd only ever does professional jobs. They are obviously very bright and have connections.

Well, whether its obvious to you or not, that is how resilience is built. Yes, too many demands which outstrip resources are a significant barrier to developing resilience. But for a child from a stable family, small challenges are a helpful part of development. We are in the middle of a resilience crisis and over protecting behaviours from parents is a significant factor in this. It's why, for example, Oxbridge has such a mental health crisis, so many people are not working due to anxiety and depression, and why employers are reporting such problems with workforce recruitment and development. OP is getting that, but obviously a lot of parents don't.

concertinacornflake · 19/08/2026 17:35

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:32

Well, whether its obvious to you or not, that is how resilience is built. Yes, too many demands which outstrip resources are a significant barrier to developing resilience. But for a child from a stable family, small challenges are a helpful part of development. We are in the middle of a resilience crisis and over protecting behaviours from parents is a significant factor in this. It's why, for example, Oxbridge has such a mental health crisis, so many people are not working due to anxiety and depression, and why employers are reporting such problems with workforce recruitment and development. OP is getting that, but obviously a lot of parents don't.

False challenges do not develop resilience. Resilience develops naturally through life, and those with strong support networks tend to have more of it.

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:39

concertinacornflake · 19/08/2026 17:35

False challenges do not develop resilience. Resilience develops naturally through life, and those with strong support networks tend to have more of it.

No, that is catagorically wrong. People are not developing resilience. And having all obstacles removed from your path is partly why. How is needing to get a job a false challenge for anyone? A pp has posted very movingly about someone who only ever worked in a family but as unless and how it affected them.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:44

You can teach resilience from an early age by modelling it and encouraging a child to respond positively to setbacks. Resilience isn’t built by making someone take a job they don’t need or want and robbing someone else who does need and or want it.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:47

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:44

You can teach resilience from an early age by modelling it and encouraging a child to respond positively to setbacks. Resilience isn’t built by making someone take a job they don’t need or want and robbing someone else who does need and or want it.

I agree.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 17:48

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 16:55

No. They’re not more clever. Their parents just have the money to provide the education, support and time needed to succeed when applying to Oxbridge.

Rubbish. Progress 8 scores at these scores will be flat. You put clever kids in you get clever kids out. Academically the value at add at these schools is almost zero.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:50

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 17:48

Rubbish. Progress 8 scores at these scores will be flat. You put clever kids in you get clever kids out. Academically the value at add at these schools is almost zero.

As I pointed out earlier education at one of the most prestigious schools in the country didn’t do Prince Harry much good. As my mum used to say “You can’t buy brains”.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:50

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:39

No, that is catagorically wrong. People are not developing resilience. And having all obstacles removed from your path is partly why. How is needing to get a job a false challenge for anyone? A pp has posted very movingly about someone who only ever worked in a family but as unless and how it affected them.

If someone lives a life with few obstacles they arguably will never need resilience. Regardless getting good a levels and doing well at school is a challenge for most people and much harder than working in a shop or pub imo.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 17:55

Isitevensummer · 19/08/2026 17:32

Well, whether its obvious to you or not, that is how resilience is built. Yes, too many demands which outstrip resources are a significant barrier to developing resilience. But for a child from a stable family, small challenges are a helpful part of development. We are in the middle of a resilience crisis and over protecting behaviours from parents is a significant factor in this. It's why, for example, Oxbridge has such a mental health crisis, so many people are not working due to anxiety and depression, and why employers are reporting such problems with workforce recruitment and development. OP is getting that, but obviously a lot of parents don't.

I am sure they have had challenges during their childhood. How do you think they did well academically ? If there is a mental health crisis at oxbridge it will be due to the relentless pressure of academic work and not to do with whether they have ever worked in a shop.

ClairDeLaLune · 19/08/2026 18:14

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 18/08/2026 21:59

I think you might be overthinking it a bit too.

If it helps, I have kids similar ages (22, 20) and have done what you think you should have done, but not by choice.

I brought them up as a single mum with no family wealth behind me. They've had all sorts of unglamourous jobs, bought their own cars, now live independently. They're incredibly capable and mature for their ages and I'm very very proud.

BUT they're like that because they had to be, and I read posts like yours and feel awful guilt that they had to work for everything they have and I couldn't give them a bigger leg up in life. I'm sure they look at their wealthier friends still being carried along by their parents and feel the same way.

So there's the other side... might help you realise you're not doing so badly after all Flowers

You absolutely shouldn’t feel guilty @Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice you sound like an amazing mum! You’ve brought your kids up incredibly well, which is the toughest job in the world, and they sound like they’ve done just fine without a leg-up.

But I don’t see anything wrong with kids having a leg-up either, if you’re in the position to do it. Sounds like she’d be getting relevant experience working for you, which will help in her Oxbridge application, and let’s face it, most of the kids applying will have had some parental help.

Also, if you send her off to work in a supermarket you’d probably be depriving someone else of that job who would need it more.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 18:32

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 17:28

So 10 percent of Oxford offers come from very high-achieving, academically selective schools. 8 of them are private and 6 of them are state - so, it's not really such a massive difference for that 10 percent, is it?

But that's not even the point. What I take issue with is your stance that if you come from an advantaged background it is 'easy' to get into Oxbridge.

You seem to be forgetting that the private schools listed here are enormously competitive to get into in the first place. These are highly academic kids in the first place. Yes, the private schools listed here mean parents can afford to pay the fees (unless they are on a bursary). Yes, students will be given extensive academic support that will help their application. Yes, they are more likely to be encouraged to apply to Oxbridge than they might at an average state school.

But Oxbridge admissions know this. They know that someone who grew up in Hampstead and went to a high achieving private school is coming from a place of advantage over and above someone who went to a failing comp and grew up on a rough estate. That's why they do admissions contextually, and why your constant insistence that it's a breeze to get into Oxbridge if you are from an advantaged background just isn't true. You cannot buy your way in.

Tell me you have zero understanding of the ways in which parents are gaming the education system with their cash without telling me you have zero understanding. Zero. And I never said it was a breeze, but I appreciate you are now feeling the need to exaggerate as your argument crumbles.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 18:34

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:50

As I pointed out earlier education at one of the most prestigious schools in the country didn’t do Prince Harry much good. As my mum used to say “You can’t buy brains”.

Oh I think you’re wrong here. I think a standard child with Harry’s intellect would not have gotten a single GCSE to his name under the state system. But Harry’s wealth and privilege ensured that he went to a school where he was able to at least scrape some qualifications. That’s kinda my point.

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 18:36

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 17:50

As I pointed out earlier education at one of the most prestigious schools in the country didn’t do Prince Harry much good. As my mum used to say “You can’t buy brains”.

Those people are rare. look at a-level results for St Paul’s boys

At St Paul's School (London), 60% of all A Level grades awarded in August 2026 were A, with 91.5% achieving A/A grades and 98.7% achieving A*-B

lordbaddingham · 19/08/2026 18:42

If your son had got those jobs on his own merit then it's fair play, if he doesn't need to do a crappy job then why would he? Your daughter sounds a slightly different prospect, I agree she probably needs to see the real world a little bit rather than working for mummy and daddy and getting free cars.

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 18:48

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 18:36

Those people are rare. look at a-level results for St Paul’s boys

At St Paul's School (London), 60% of all A Level grades awarded in August 2026 were A, with 91.5% achieving A/A grades and 98.7% achieving A*-B

That isn't just down to small class sizes and other privileges. Some of that will be down to the fact that most of the parents gave high IQs and their children will have too. Plus they probably have entrance exams so less academic don't get in.

HollyhocksandPeons · 19/08/2026 18:51

What an astounding post. Do you have a guarantee from above, that your children will never experience wretched poverty, debt, and misery in their lives? You never know what is in store for them, none of us do. So let your children enjoy their galleries, auction houses and the ultimate poshness of being an almost paralegal. Let them have this good life, charmed life, whilst it is still possible. Also, be careful with those games - remember The Prince and the Pauper by M.Twain? It could have gone a number of ways - one wrong 'chance' meeting between your privileged children and those working 'normal jobs' and you can have comrade Che (or a female version of that) on your hands after a few shifts, who would refuse to apply next year.

thisismeithinkorisit · 19/08/2026 18:55

ForJadeEagle · 19/08/2026 06:29

Okay if that’s your take on it. I had 5 miscarriages when we were trying for children, we had to go through the IVF route and that wasn’t always successful. It was a journey and a half for us to even have children. I very much love my children and they know it perhaps we’ve just spoilt them. I’m not going to go into the things she’s said or done but even her school got touch in regards to some stuff she has previously said.

no one is saying you don't LOVE her. but you think she's entitled, spoilt, isn't a nice person, lacks empathy etc. what are her good points??

you can say no op. tell her that you don't have any work for her ATM.

you can't control what DH does as a result but at least you're sticking by your principles.

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 19:16

Indeed, you can't buy brains.

@Constantinoodle - you said getting into Cambridge should be 'an easy win' for the OP's daughter because of her background. You also said that ambitious/wealthy families can 'train any decently intelligent child and get them in'.

Believe me, I know a number of kids from highly advantaged backgrounds who were academically very impressive (applying with 4x Astar predictions, or trying with those exact grades in hand) who didn't get Oxbridge offers.

Cambridge sees about 2000 applicants for Law each year. They cannot take every impressive applicant. They have to make the process as fair as possible - that's why they recognise that a candidate who has had the advantage of a wealthy background (private schools, ambitious parents etc) might well be less academically impressive than one who hasn't had such advantages in life so far. They consider all this carefully.

(In fact, there are those out there who are now arguing that Oxbridge have gone too far in attempting to level the playing field, and even say they discriminate against those from privileged backgrounds...but I can't imagine how you'd react to that school of thought 😂)

It's clear you've obviously got some kind of chip on your shoulder about wealth/parental backgrounds and Oxbridge. I'm sure those reasons are personal to you, but you should get your facts straight.

Perpetuating silly views that Oxbridge is full of posh brats whose mummy and daddy essentially paid their way in is not only offensive to those who may well have been from an affluent background yet are academic enough to be there, but more importantly - this attitude is pretty toxic for candidates who could suspect that Oxbridge is 'not for the likes of us', and be put off applying.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 19:21

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 18:34

Oh I think you’re wrong here. I think a standard child with Harry’s intellect would not have gotten a single GCSE to his name under the state system. But Harry’s wealth and privilege ensured that he went to a school where he was able to at least scrape some qualifications. That’s kinda my point.

Wasn’t there some question around someone else doing his GCSE coursework?

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 19:27

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 18:36

Those people are rare. look at a-level results for St Paul’s boys

At St Paul's School (London), 60% of all A Level grades awarded in August 2026 were A, with 91.5% achieving A/A grades and 98.7% achieving A*-B

Prince Harry isn't a good example. Eton probably wouldn't accept him now because he wouldn't pass muster academically.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 19:27

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 19:21

Wasn’t there some question around someone else doing his GCSE coursework?

I believe it was his art A-Level. His teacher was submitting work in his name I think. Now would a teacher do that for Joe Bloggs? Nope! Privilege buys a lot of things.

Constantinoodle · 19/08/2026 19:31

Loveseat · 19/08/2026 19:16

Indeed, you can't buy brains.

@Constantinoodle - you said getting into Cambridge should be 'an easy win' for the OP's daughter because of her background. You also said that ambitious/wealthy families can 'train any decently intelligent child and get them in'.

Believe me, I know a number of kids from highly advantaged backgrounds who were academically very impressive (applying with 4x Astar predictions, or trying with those exact grades in hand) who didn't get Oxbridge offers.

Cambridge sees about 2000 applicants for Law each year. They cannot take every impressive applicant. They have to make the process as fair as possible - that's why they recognise that a candidate who has had the advantage of a wealthy background (private schools, ambitious parents etc) might well be less academically impressive than one who hasn't had such advantages in life so far. They consider all this carefully.

(In fact, there are those out there who are now arguing that Oxbridge have gone too far in attempting to level the playing field, and even say they discriminate against those from privileged backgrounds...but I can't imagine how you'd react to that school of thought 😂)

It's clear you've obviously got some kind of chip on your shoulder about wealth/parental backgrounds and Oxbridge. I'm sure those reasons are personal to you, but you should get your facts straight.

Perpetuating silly views that Oxbridge is full of posh brats whose mummy and daddy essentially paid their way in is not only offensive to those who may well have been from an affluent background yet are academic enough to be there, but more importantly - this attitude is pretty toxic for candidates who could suspect that Oxbridge is 'not for the likes of us', and be put off applying.

Edited

I love it whenever there is a thread about wealth, elitism etc. on MN and someone inevitably pipes up to say a poster must be jealous or has a chip on their shoulder because they want equity.

What makes you think I didn’t come from wealth? Or that I don’t have an Oxbridge degree myself? Why are you making these assumptions? Because I want society to be a true meritocracy - or at the very least, I want people to stop pretending it is? What bothers you about that?

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 19:34

walrushurricane · 19/08/2026 18:48

That isn't just down to small class sizes and other privileges. Some of that will be down to the fact that most of the parents gave high IQs and their children will have too. Plus they probably have entrance exams so less academic don't get in.

Exactly. If those children were in the state system they would be still jogging the Oxbridge places