Slimming world supporting weight loss injections. Aibu?

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I see that slimming world is now supporting and welcoming people to groups that do weight loss injections.

I feel that this is quite misleading and unfair to participants not doing injections. I have done slimming world years ago and now do weight loss injections only. I wouldn't feel right going to a group where some aren't doing jabs.

The whole slimmer of week is based on pounds only as well, not percentages. I feel the injections give a big advantage. Also, I dont think this works for a group of people.

Also, when I see huge losses for sw being posted I wonder if its the jabs.

I feel it's gone its all quite misleading and a bit unfair on people who still go to group.

What do you think?

”…sitting in a circle hearing about how Jan went mad at the buffet on her cruise never did.” This made me laugh @PresidentBarklett

I first did SW when I was 13 and was taken along by my mum and cousins. We actually all did pretty well but back then, there was green days and red days and there was definitely an emphasis on ‘fill your plate’. I did lose 21lbs (I remember it well) but then over the years, it all came back (with more on top).

Since then, I’ve been to multiple slimming clubs and most of them resemble ‘Fat Fighters’ from Little Britain. For me, there’s always been a hard core of very, very overweight women who manage the money and the scales and they tut if you gain and offer gritted teeth congratulations if you lose. The group leader is also often very overweight too and proclaims ‘this diet works’ while standing in front of lifesize
cutouts of herself 4 stone lighter. So come on Jean, if it works, why are you fat again?

And then there’s the hideous ‘slimmer prizes’ - a basket of items everyone has brought in, from sweaty fruit to tins of beans with the label hanging off. If you’re really lucky, you win a box of ‘WiFi bars’ (as we used to call them) which taste like chocolate horse food.

It’s an industry built on psychology - most people with an obesity problem will never fully conquer it and all these clubs want lifelong customers. It’s good business, of course they do!

WLIs have changed everything - not just for what they do but because of the education around obesity. The evidence shows that some people have a genetic propensity to not only easily gain weight but find it much harder to lose it. It isn’t just as simple as ‘eat less, move more’ and ‘if you’re fat, you’re just lacking willpower’, it’s so much more layered than that.

I’ve lost 4 stone on MJ and have learned a lot about myself in the last year. I used to eat mindlessly because I was bored, I often ate more than I needed in part because of the ‘finish what’s on your plate’ culture. Also all of my social activities were centred around food and without it, I had to learn how to find joy in other things.

I absolutely wouldn’t fit into a diet club now - I’d just be frustrated at the lack of genuine understanding. MJ is teaching me how to enjoy food in proportion, how to appreciate what a strong, healthy body really feels like (it’s good!).

Diet clubs never did that for me. They just taught me to focus obsessively on the scales, desperately squeezing out the last drops of wee (and removing my earrings and watch) before weekly weigh in, so I could hopefully win the sweaty fruit and the praise of Jean.

I suspect I’m not alone either - so either the industry changes or it will fail.

nearly everyone who has done slimming world ends up fatter than they started, only a tiny percentage can maintain it, dieting by pretty much every other method is more successful

my sil did it for decades on and off, always coming off, regaining more than she started till eventually she looked me in the eye and said I don’t think it works, I’m better off calorie counting, I was thinking yeah no shit. I said it’s the volume eating it recommends and the shite food no one can sustain on like laughing cow and ryvita,

and then she got all defensive saying well it doesn’t allow volume eating, which was bonkers as hundreds, literally hundreds of times I’ve sat with her whilst she said it’s all free so I can eat as much as I wish. No no you can’t, don’t be fucking stupid,

so as much as I think slimming world should be open to all, I think it is a ridiculous way to support weight loss on the jabs, just google and eat a healthy meal, with recommended portion sizes and the right macros . Job done.

Oh yes the sins which I think was spelt sin when I was there. I also remember my mum being amazed by one young woman who was about 5 fr 3 and nine and a half stone, my mum couldn't believe she weighed so much but didn't look really fat! Absolutely bonkers.

Haha yes. Then they pretended syn meant ‘synergy’ when there was a backlash at calling foods a sin.

Absolutely spot on.

"Nearly everyone who has done slimming world ends up fatter than they started, only a tiny percentage can maintain it, dieting by pretty much every other method is more successful"
Every method of dieting only keeps working when you do it.
Slimming World works if you keep doing it.

Something that hasn't been mentioned on here is that when you get to your target weight you can keep going to group for nothing forever. You can have support to stick to plan and target indefinitely. At my group there are people who have gone for years (not every week in most cases, but regularly) and who keep the weight off. If you stop going or stop following the plan you can't blame Slimming World.0

Seems more money than sense to pay for both WLI and SW. There are cheaper, easier and healthier ways to get into a calorie deficit on WLI if you’re tracking intake.

can you really not see the issue, that 97 percent of people cannot sustain it. 97 percent. And you can only keep going to group for free if you don’t gain 3lbs or more. We all know weight fluctuates thay amount. Pretending it’s free for everyone is just silly. It’s only free if you don’t gain or lose 3 lbs.

and who on earth wants to spend the rest of their life having to go. You need a diet which changes your eating habits in a sustainable manner, and if 97 percent of people can’t do that, then it doesn’t work.

Not gaining more than 3lbs is how people stay at target.
If you gain more than 3lbs you have a week to get back under that three pounds.

That kind of discipline is what keeps people at target.
So it is free for everyone who is serious about staying at target.

People who are serious about not gaining weight again are the people who keep going. You don't have to go every week or even every month. You don't even have to stay for the meeting - just drop in and weigh every couple of months or so and then get on with your life. Anyone who doesn't want such a simple change their life to that extent isn't really serious about staying at a healthy weight.

The SW diet works and is sustainable. I lost nearly 4 stone in 2017 and have kept it off.
I don't know where you got your 97% figure from because I've never seen that.

"said it’s the volume eating it recommends and the shite food no one can sustain on like laughing cow and ryvita,"

Slimming World doesn't recommend volume eating. They recommend eating until you are full, not stuffed.

I've been going to SW since 2017 and can assure you the food most recommended is fruit, veg, lean protein, wholemeal breads etc. I lost nearly 4 stone by eating food like spag bol with lean mince, jacket potatoes, tuna, roast dinners, veg, fruit - never touched a ryvita or laughing cow cheese.

It's really clear @Viperregency that you don't know anything about SW.

Ok you do realise many fat people can eat and eat and eat and not feel stuffed right?

The SW plan lists foods you can eat as much as you like of. E.g. apples, lean chicken.
Nobody ever got or stayed fat by gorging themselves on lean chicken and apples.

Stuff that will make you fat/keep you fat e.g. chocolate is limited. You can have some chocolate every day but SW doesn't tell you to eat that until you feel stuffed.

Do you know anything about SW and the plan at all? I mean really know through personal experience or having read the information?

No, this poster is completely ignorant of the SW healthy eating plan, and their posts are becoming quite tedious, full of misinformation as they are.

I didn't know that (other than knowing that before I got my eating under control I could eat until I felt ill - but only the bad stuff - kale filled me up after one mouthful 😂).

So I looked it up. Apparently about 10% of obese people are unable to feel stuffed. That's probably not me. I was just greedy and full of bad habits. SW helped me listen to when I was full and stop eating.

I have no expertise regarding the 10% of people who fall into that category, but having been the woman who weighs people at group since 2017 I've met lots of the 90% group and seen hundreds of people succeed. I'd guess I've met some of the 10% group too - I imagine some did well, some not, I can't really say.

What I've learned is

If you kinda follow the plan it kinda works.
If you really follow the plan it really works.
If you don't follow the plan.......well, you get my drift.

I guess the point is, the bigger you are, the more you can eat, before you even feel full, and as such, when we become over weight, we can easily over eat cals and nog feel full.

In theory, the bigger you get, the more calories you need to stay at that weight - `I think 'delayed satiety' is likely to be part of the issue, you do feel full up but only after you've already over-eaten.

The other issue is metabolism slowing due to age, hormonal changes etc. so people eating the same as they've always eaten gradually find their weight starts creeping up.

I went to SW once byt the quark cheese cakes and quirk bolognese etc made me want to shoot them all. Especially Brenda and her chick pea loaf.
I did over eat the all you can eat foods or whatever it was back then (around 2012?) but she I gained weight the leader told me I was eating too much 😂. She told me that going to the gym was making me too hungry too. It was a pretty fucked up place.

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I've never done SW but I tried quark once - it looked quite appetising - it was absolutely foul. It was worse than goat's cheese, which is saying something.

Well that's not strictly true. I'll grant you that it is harder to gain weight eating chicken and apples because you can eat more of them, but it is down to calories in versus calories out - regardless of whether those calories come from chicken or chocolate.

This is true.

But if we're talking calories a Cadbury's Double Decker is about 350 calories.
To get the same number of calories you would have to eat 7 apples or half a pound of chicken breast.

I know a lot of people who could easily scoff a Double Decker (me for one) but I can't think of many people who could be arsed to sit and get fat by troughing their way through a bag of 7 apples.

I imgaine skinless chicken breast gets a bit old after the first half a pound.

I remember going in one week really excited as I had started regular daily walks and got shot down by the ‘boss’ who told me that I probably would not lose anything as exercise makes you retain water weight. She then proceeded to explain how it would be far better never to do any walking and just concentrate on the speed foods 🤦🏻‍♀️

If she really said thst you should have complained to HQ. Every consultant I’ve ever met has encouraged and praised exercise.

SWIPS 🤭🤭🤭

I didn’t make it up, what would I? I was a scared and anxious mess back then, complaining and confronting wasn’t something I was able to do. I only managed to go to SW because a friend took me. I’m glad your experience of ‘consultants’ has been positive, but that doesn’t mean I’m a liar.