Lindsay Clancy was let down

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For those of you who may not know, Lindsay Clancy is an American mother who killed her three children (all under age 5) then tried to commit suicide by throwing herself out of a window, and is now wheelchair bound as a result. Her defence is she was in the throws of post natal psychosis.

You can watch the full trial on Court TV. The trial is ongoing now.

She was totally let down by the system, the doctors, maybe even her husband. I’ve never watched a full trial and been so appalled at what I am seeing and hearing. Kevin Reddington her lawyer needs an award.

It is interesting to me because I have a close relative who I’ve cared for for over a decade who is regularly in psychosis. The lack of understanding of psychosis generally is wild. I My relative can slip in and out of psychosis on a minute by minute basis some days.

I really hope Lindsay’s defence lawyer gets the best outcome for her even though her life is completely ruined whatever the outcome of the trial.

Hate how on here understanding of mental illness is so poor.

I am heartbroken for Lindsay. The poor woman was on her knees with postpartum depression. BEGGING for help.

I’ve never had anxiety in my life but after I gave birth I felt like I was in an extended anxiety attack. I tried many of medications Lindsay was given. For almost a year there was no relief. It was hell on Earth. I remember walking the streets at night when my husband was at work hoping I would be raped and murdered. Just so the pain would end. I’m still getting laser treatment on the self harm scars I sustained from that time.

Lindsay was very very ill. And let down by so many. And so were her children

Praying she granted the grace she deserves. Should never have come to this

Police have all her phone and email conversations. if there was the slightest evidence she "had a new man" the DA would be using that as a weapon so not the case. She was a very loving mother and there's a lot of evidence of that. No one in her right mind does that to her children then jumps from a second floor on her head and breaks her back. She had a long history of mental illness and her body was a cocktail of medications. I'm shocked this has even gone to trial, my mind boggles when i hear people saying she is making this up. I suspect the real reason this has gone to trial is the huge $$$ lawsuit behind.

You think 3 little children who were strangled to death don’t deserve a court case? You don’t think they deserve for someone to at least question what happened to them? She may have been insane but then she may have been a sociopath. It needs to be decided in a court of law.

Lindsay may absolutely belong in a hospital and not in jail. But that needs to be decided by the law and not just because she and her family say so.

I struggle to understand why LC deserves such special treatment over so many other women who have killed their children.

She told healthcare practitioners that she was hearing voices.

She was put on medication that worsened her original symptoms, and then when she informed the prescriber, the dosage was increased. When she was finally taken off, she was given other medications of the same category that were contraindicated by the symptoms she presented with.

Quite honestly, the fact that you claim to be familiar with mental breakdown and ‘just don’t believe her’ is quite astonishing.

Whether she was sane or not, she needs to be locked away forever because she’ll always be a danger to the public.

How? She’s paralysed from the waist down!

Although, in fairness, your relative is a completely different person.

She’s already admitted to killing the children. The defence doesn’t dispute that at all. She should be convicted of manslaughter due to diminished responsibility, or something equal to that. She CLEARLY was suffering terribly from mental health issues and quite realistically was in complete psychosis when she carried out the killings.

She took an overdose, slit her wrists and throat and then threw herself out of a first floor window. Are they the actions of a sociopath who should be charged with first degree murder?

It’s fucking crazy to see people coming out and commenting on a case they clearly haven’t a clue about.

It’s a fascinating case. Her mother in law supporting her. This feels very different to other murder cases. I do think that people who haven’t any knowledge about psychosis will struggle to understand. Thankfully it’s rare. My friend’s wife tried to kill him and stood screaming in the street about aliens. It took 10 police officers to get her safe. She has no recollection and 5 years later she’s on a low dose of medication, very much in love with her husband and raising their child. There was a point I feared we’d get the call she’d killed then both (her dh and dc) because mh support following crisis was awful.

Anyone who hears voices telling them to kill people should be locked down, the issue is "where". A normal prison would not be the right place because said person would need psychiatric treatment and medication. Prisons are already difficult places to run, the staff are not medically trained to deal with serious psichiatric disorders.

It’s a very sad case all round, but the conspiracy theories about the ex-husband are absolutely horrible. The internet can be a truly awful place when people decide they can piece together a few dates and turn them into a completely fictional narrative.
Patrick is a grieving father who, despite what Lindsay did, continued to acknowledge that she was a loving mother. He was incredibly supportive of her mental health struggles, helped her seek treatment, supported her with managing her medications and took on extra parenting responsibilities. On January 24, 2023, he left her alone with the children because medical professionals had reassured him that she was not a danger, and because she appeared to be having “one of her best days.” With the information he had at the time, he had every reason to trust the professionals caring for her.
And yet people are now treating the fact that he divorced, moved away, rebuilt his life and eventually fell in love again as somehow suspicious.
What exactly was he supposed to do? Stay alone and miserable for the rest of his life? Was he supposed to stop living because his children were tragically taken from him? Would people somehow have been happier if he had completely destroyed himself in his grief?
The timeline people are getting so worked up about is actually completely ordinary when you look at it objectively. He moved away from his home, friends and family and went to New York to try to rebuild a life that had been shattered beyond repair. He met Rachel organically through fitness classes more than a year after the tragedy. They didn’t move in together until around two years after the tragedy and didn’t marry until more than three years later.
There is nothing sinister about that timeline. Sometimes people find each other and one becomes a source of light when the other desperately needs it. Rachel came into his life when he needed someone beside him, and from everything we can see, she has been that person for him. I actually think there is something incredibly beautiful about two people finding each other in the aftermath of unimaginable tragedy and building something positive together.
Patrick has also tried to turn an unimaginable loss into something that might help other families. Through the Heard Foundation, he has worked toward establishing Massachusetts’ first dedicated postpartum treatment centre, designed to provide evidence-based, home-like care for parents experiencing perinatal mood and anxiety disorders.
Patrick and Rachel have also worked alongside volunteers to create a memorial community playground near his former home in Duxbury. The entrance bears the names of his children and Cora’s favourite nightly phrase, “Thank you for a beautiful day in the neighborhood.” Rather than simply retreating into his grief, they have tried to create something meaningful in memory of the children who were taken from them.
And somehow people still want to make him the villain.
He seems like a loving father who was completely devastated by the loss of his children and who has every right in the world to feel anger toward Lindsay. Yet even in the middle of that unimaginable grief, he has spoken about her as a loving mother and recognised that what happened was the result of serious illness. He hasn’t used his platform to publicly destroy her or turn her into a monster. He’s acknowledged the person she was before the horrific illness took over.
That doesn’t mean he excuses what she did. It means he understands that the woman who committed those horrific acts was also the mother he loved and the person who loved their children.
I genuinely wish Patrick nothing but happiness. He deserves to have someone beside him while he processes something most of us couldn’t even begin to comprehend. He deserves to laugh again. He deserves to fall in love again. He deserves to have a future. He deserves moments where he isn’t defined entirely by the worst thing that has ever happened to him.
And Rachel deserves that too.
The people online suggesting that he somehow caused this, was secretly responsible, or that Lindsay didn’t do it and he was behind everything are not “asking questions.” They’re creating conspiracy theories around a grieving family because the real explanation isn’t dramatic enough for them.
There doesn’t have to be a sinister explanation for a man eventually falling in love again.
Sometimes the explanation is simply that a person who has suffered something unimaginable found another person who helped him keep going.
I think Patrick has shown an extraordinary amount of strength. He lost his babies in the most horrific circumstances imaginable, has had to live through the media scrutiny surrounding it, has had to keep working and functioning, and somehow has still tried to create something positive from the devastation.
He is allowed to live, to love and he is allowed to find a tiny piece of happiness amongst the horror without anyone turning that happiness into evidence against him.
I dont know what "contradictions" you're alluding to but comments like these are the exact vitriol conspiracy theories that this poor man doesn't deserve when he is a victim too.

She wants to be found not guilty due to not being criminally responsible. Not manslaughter. The prosecution are arguing it was planned because of her prior searches online and actions. So no. They can’t just take her word for it. Plus they shouldn’t as it will set a precedent for all future cases.

Are you watching the case? There is reasonable doubt applied for everything, including the suicide attempt.

What was she searching online though?

I'm a little bit mistified on how a nurse who slice her wrists (2 cms deep) then jumps out of a second floor, head first and breaks her back (now paralized) can be seen as a "suicide with reasonable doubt". I mean... this woman almost died! I really can't see the "reasonable doubt" as much as I look for it.

If this was a dad with MH issues there wouldn't be all these apologists for him. Seen it before on here-women can do no wrong.

I suppose if someone successfully carries out three murders but then is unsuccessful in killing themself there’s going to be a bit of doubt, isn’t there?

Yes, it’s extremely surprising she survived. That was no half hearted effort to buy sympathy.

A nurse who slits her wrists the wrong way and survives? Yes that should be questioned.

We only know her fall was head first because of injuries. The doctors didn’t just take her word for it.

I completely agree that she aimed to take her own life. But in what world do we just accept someone’s word after they strangled their 3 little children?

I’m finding the scenes outside the courthouse really chilling. So many women dressed up in pink and making heart signs. To start with I thought people were posting fake videos from a race or carnival pretending it was at the trial but I see it’s true.

Why are so many women turning out to support this child killer? From a quick look about 100 to 225 mothers a year murder their children in the states (about the same number as fathers). Why has this case brought so many women out to support this killer? Is it because she killed three children? What is so “attractive” for want of a better word to all these women?

We’re on about a woman with PPP and how little help she received. This was from pregnancy, so no this isn’t really an argument for a dad.

Slicing your wrists deep, jumping out of a window head first, breaking your back, ending on a wheel chair and locked up in a prison for the rest of your life sounds like a hell of a sucessful fake suicide attempt. She really fooled everyone. 😳

Sadly, I have absolutely no doubt that she will kill herself at some point in the future - who would want to live with that! So this court case seems like a farce. Very few women are a danger to the public and deserve to be in prison - most need mental health placements. This is one of those cases without a doubt.

That is completely incorrect and you spreading this misinformation is the type of nasty trolling all over the internet at the moment.

He didn't start dating until well over ONE year later.
They didn't move in together until over TWO years later.
They didn't marry until over THREE years later.

Where on EARTH are you getting your facts that he was remarried within months?

What exactly was he supposed to do? Stay alone and miserable for the rest of his life? Was he supposed to stop living because his children were tragically taken from him? Would you and others somehow have been happier if he had completely destroyed and deleted himself in his grief?

He moved away from his home, friends and family and went to New York to try to rebuild a life that had been shattered beyond repair. He met Rachel organically through fitness classes more than a year after the tragedy. They didn’t move in together until around two years after the tragedy and didn’t marry until more than THREE years later.

He didn't move on and get married within a few months after the death of his children.

Patrick has also tried to turn an unimaginable loss into something that might help other families. Through the Heard Foundation, he has worked toward establishing Massachusetts first dedicated postpartum treatment centre, designed to provide homelike care for parents experiencing perinatal mood and anxiety disorders.

I don’t know many people who would be able to push through their own unimaginable grief and pain to create something positive out of it...something that could help other families access the right support and mental health services before they reach that point. To take something so devastating and use it to try to prevent another woman from ever reaching the point of doing this to her children is incredibly powerful.

He could have absolutely hated Lindsay for what she did and crucified her on the stand but he has been supportive and recognises that she was sick - and that she was a good mother. That she isn't a monster. That takes an enormous amount of strength to say when hating her would be so much easier.

Yet somehow people like you still want to make him the villain. It's unbelievably gross.

I genuinely wish Patrick nothing but happiness.

He lost his babies in the most horrific circumstances imaginable, has had to live through the media scrutiny surrounding it, has had to keep working and functioning, and somehow has still tried to create something positive from the devastation. He is allowed to live and he is allowed to love. And he is allowed to find a tiny piece of happiness and someone willing to stand by his side through his grief amongst the horror without people like you turning that happiness into evidence against him - especially when you spout complete nonsense around him being married within months of his babies dying. If you're going to comment at least don't comment complete rubbish that is factually so wrong!