AIBU to discuss A level success without private school spending?

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Parents/carers who have not spent a penny on Educating their children and they have just received great A level results.

The sacrifices made all the struggle,

I’m interested to discuss families where the child has succeeded without need for private school

https://www.gbnews.com/money/private-school-fees-soar-vat

https://www.ft.com/content/091b214d-231b-414a-8f3e-9ef9fc021926?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Those who did pay,

presumably to secure great results at A level

The same kids off to Uni, placements easier to secure as less international competition. Uni the playing field evens.

And now time to pay for Uni,

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-11000-2030-4705197?srsltid=AfmBOorss52PSHD6xJzisWMdeNxcXDen3IrCGS49nnGH1ZyDnmvTOh_k

A child who did outstanding (without spending a penny) the same result as a family who spent £250k + The above article is a low estimation for a selective U.K. day/ boarding.

The kids holding the same result off to the same Uni, How are families feeling!?…. Did you save to help towards the Uni Fees/accomodation.

Would you mind telling us the Ofsted rating of your state school, OP? Also, are you a high earner / well educated yourself? Please do tell.

The UK has some of the best universities in the world and only about 30% of kids at the top universities are from the private sector so the vast majority- 70% - at Oxbridge - and others are from the state sector. Whether or not your kid will actually be happy is another question.

it depends on the school. The majority have entrance exams. Others rely on interview.

Bored with reading all this now so am stopping at this comment.

I don't know what school you're invested in, but I would suggest from your comments that it isn't a terribly good one to have given you such a poor opinion of private education. They are not all the same.

I have had 3 children go through both state (one of the top schools in the country) and private. Indeed I took one child out of the state system at 13 as he was becoming a little too influenced by some fairly unpleasant kids, and was slipping through the net. So I moved him under HUGE duress, and it was the best thing that I ever did for him. He was miserable for 3 weeks - and then the sun came out.

So, if you think that sending your 10 years old to private school is a waste of money, don't do it. It's quite simple.

Private schools obviously improve chances of better exam results everything is in the pupils favour, small classes , the best facilities etc. They also instill a confidence that state schools do not. Private school students are told from day one they are the best / elite. These are the advantages that children whose parents pay for private education get. It is a very unfair system.

Absolutely agree with this! My dc enjoy every day at their independent school. No disruption, fascinating trips abroad, incredible extra curricular, engaging teachers, lovely friends and interesting lessons in small ( 12 ) classes. I hope they get good grades but but it’s far far from the main objective.

How is it unfair?

It's not just the super rich who send their children to private school. Some of us worked extremely hard and indeed made many sacrifices to pay the fees,

Maybe you mean life is unfair. Unfair because people have differing priorities.

Spot on, both of you!!

Exactly. We are happy to pay for happy dc thriving in a wonderful environment.

Private school is so much more than grades. Yes the privately educated children are very likely to achieve higher grades but they alse generally have more access to good sports facilities and other extra curricular opportunities. In the end when they go to university they tend to stick with their own tribe and this carries on into work and later life.

Attending some private schools is about much more than exam results. Making connections is equally if not more important

Private school kids in general do better (I say this as someone that went to a comp). I’m sure most people who privately educate their kids are happy at having maximised their kids’ prospects. The fact that some super bright state school kids have done better doesn’t take away from that

Are you joking? My kid lives in a level 2 postcode area, got 4 A*s and is off to Cambridge to show the posh twats what talent looks like.

We, like many people, moved to get a decent state education for our children. We are very fortunate that we were able to move from an area where the schools were dire and private would literally be our only option to an area where there were small primary schools and two excellent state secondary schools. We chose the cost of moving house over 5-11 state education and then gave our children the choice of several secondary schools, some very close, some commutable, some state, some private. We then gave our daughter the choice again after GCSEs of sixth form, college, private sixth form etc. she went to a state college and achieved 3 x A* grades. She is now at an excellent university and has achieved a first in her first year as well as making the Dean’s List of excellence. We couldn’t be prouder. My son will take his GCSEs next year at the same state secondary as my daughter and I’d like him to stay there for state as their a level results are the highest in the county, they are much higher than several local private schools too. Ultimately though, it’s always been down to how the children liked the schools. We were so fortunate then and now to have the ability to relocate for schools and to choose from state or private later. Most people don’t have that privilege.

Most people send their kids to private school to avoid the masses and instil a sense of entitlement. I kind of respect the ones who just admit they’re investing in social segregation.

Hahaha @MsSquiz real you that were amused by your ranting and then you go on another long rant that no one asked for 😂 😂 😆 😂

Absolutely none - it’s a well
managed school. I pay for a extracurricular activity, sport, properly funded music, drama, technical education and art teaching that is taken seriously

You are pissed off because you're paying a lot of money for a turd to be polished and rolled in glitter and it's dawned on you that you'll only ever end up with a sparkly turd. Bless.

Sorry, I may have misunderstood. Are you talking about someones child?

The increase in A level grades of course has nothing at all to do with British Universities losing thousands of local and overseas students.

Due to the he massive costs and unaffordable students loans.And much better value by Institutions in other countries.

Just asking

Very smug provocative question. It is the choice of the parents as to where to send their children. Whilst for some it is all about the academia for other parents it's about the rounded education their child will receive. For me it was about the support my children received as well as the quality of sports, music, the arts, their faith and spiritual well-being, the independence they learned, the critical thinking, the opportunities to different experiences and the safe environment they where able to study in. I tried state education and it failed them miserably. Rather than spending my money on holidays and stuff, I invested my money in my children. I don't care about the cost it was worth it seeing the end results. What does amuse me is that you say that at uni the playing field evens. That is very naive, getting in is one step and has obviously been your sole focus. How they thrive is another matter all together. I look at my children and I find happy, well rounded, confident adults who were taught critical thinking and who will think for themselves, confident in the choices they make and well prepped for all university but more importantly life will thrown at them. No chip on their shoulders or confusion about who they are. So yes I am very happy knowing that my money was well spent in investing in my children and their future.

Maybe Eton tells their children that they are elite or the best but independent schools do not and have no need to tell their pupils this. You are clueless. The schools give their children an environment which they can thrive in. You say this is unfair, such is life. I'm sure we would all love to live in big mansions or fly around on private jets but we can't. That's just life. There are states schools where children thrive but that comes down to the leadership and ethos of the school, the commitment of the parents and often how much money the parents can raise to support the school and children. Is it fair that one state school has better facilities than another state school and that parents will pay extra to buy a house beside these schools to get their children into those schools. That's just life.

I think it's more nuanced.

How naive. What Labour did was vindictive and was theatre for their supporters. Parents who send their children to independent scools are paying twice for both the school and for a place at a state school which they won't use. If you are going to tax education, tax it all including the nurseries, academy schools and universities. The pretence that they were going to raise extra funds to invest into state schools has been exposed. Instead of raising funds it's cost taxpayers over £400M as places need to be found for the thousands of children who had to move to state schools. And it doesn't even factor in the loss in jobs and money for local economies and the cost to tax payers in unemployment benefits and loss of tax receipts when these schools close and local people lose their jobs and local businesses lose sales.

What? No clubs are being cut. There are are plethora of clubs to choose from and they aren’t run by teachers. They are run by external companies and people.

What you’ve said makes no sense. It’s certainly not our experience.