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To agree with Andy Burnham that it’s about time the middle classes took their fair share

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Morningteacup2 · 11/08/2026 18:11

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/11/burnham-middle-class-areas-must-take-more-hotel-migrants/

Not a huge fan of Labour I must say, but this is well overdue!

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parall · Yesterday 10:17

Maybe they could be given a bounty to go back, a decent enough sum of money, a bribe whatever. Would be far more economical than paying for them and their wives, children, grannies and aunties to settle here forever more surely!

Of course there are flaws to this, you could have repeat entrants, and so on. But a DNA swab before you get your bounty and off you go. If you come back you won't get any more, but here's a plane ticket to wherever. Bye.

Look, I know that sounds a bit mad, and is kind of tongue in cheek. But seriously there needs to be some outside the box thinking here. Or something, what is happening is unsustainable.

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 10:17

LakieLady · Yesterday 10:12

I have 2 friends who work in care homes; one is in the SE and one in East Anglia.

They've both told me that the homes have so much difficulty recruiting staff that they are heavily reliant on agency staff, and that the majority of those agency staff are from South Asia.

Anecdata, I know, but if that picture is a general one in the care sector, our old and infirm would be fucked. Or the NHS would, because hospitals would be full of old people whose care needs couldn't be met because of care staff shortages.

Right. So do immigrants not get old then.

Of course they do, unless you are going to tell us-and I wouldn't be surprised if you did-that yet another benefit they bring is the secret of Eternal Youth.

So, they too go into care homes, hospitals and all the rest of it and your answer is to bring more of them over to look after the ones already here and so on for the rest of time.

If they all fucked off tomorrow, there would be a lot less people in care homes and hospitals and we would be perfectly able to manage without importing the third world on some sort of Ponzi Scheme.

No wonder politicians are laughing their balls off when they see how easy it is to manipulate well meaning but not very bright people, to come out with the guff that you have done.

LakieLady · Yesterday 10:17

Dappy777 · 11/08/2026 19:55

Deep down, the left hate middle-class English people. HATE them. So the thought of ruining their lives by dumping hundreds of young men on them is delightful.

Funny that so many of our Labour MPs are middle-class English people really, isn't it?

Although I suppose it's debatable whether the Labour party is actually part of "the left" these days.

igglepiggll · Yesterday 10:18

Interesting that there are compassionate folk who are all for welcoming illegal male dominated migration with the hope the will wipe their bum one day. Hardly compassionate.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 10:18

LakieLady · Yesterday 10:12

I have 2 friends who work in care homes; one is in the SE and one in East Anglia.

They've both told me that the homes have so much difficulty recruiting staff that they are heavily reliant on agency staff, and that the majority of those agency staff are from South Asia.

Anecdata, I know, but if that picture is a general one in the care sector, our old and infirm would be fucked. Or the NHS would, because hospitals would be full of old people whose care needs couldn't be met because of care staff shortages.

The problem is care worker jobs aren't well paid on the whole. So whether they are done by a British person or an immigrant they will probably "take" more over their lifetime in net benefits than they "contribute" in taxes. Hence they will look like a bet loss to the economy. You might well argue that we still need them and we do. But the statistics people have been sharing further up thread re migrants being a net drain don't take that into account.

Araminta1004 · Yesterday 10:20

Labour politicians aren’t going to do anything substantial until all other EU countries agree a way forward that is considered sufficiently humanitarian in terms of returns. They need to get together and develop a coordinated plan. The French, German, Greece, Italy all have the same problems and the same complaints from their own population now. Equally, the same countries all want skilled or semi skilled young hard working people from wherever to contribute to their economies.
Right now if you look at the stats, a lot of the students from eg Africa who pay for a masters to get a student visa, then go into care work (1:4) so they can stay on. Those on the boats are those who cannot afford to pay for a Masters or pass a Masters. I think the students who stay and work hard long term are no problem. However, if they only work hard for a few years and go onto benefits too (without eg life changing accident) then they are a problem too.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 10:21

FunPeachEagle · Yesterday 10:00

How are all these young men going to take care of their sexual needs? I think that's about the biggest question going.

Oh I'm sure the leftists will demand that all women have a duty to 'put out' in order to keep them happy 🙄

EnglishRose26 · Yesterday 10:22

igglepiggll · Yesterday 10:18

Interesting that there are compassionate folk who are all for welcoming illegal male dominated migration with the hope the will wipe their bum one day. Hardly compassionate.

It beggars belief and is highly insulting. This is the left for you. Completely deluded and unaware even when they are being openly racist, and saying for example that migrants will be wiping bums (!!) Or British people of Indian heritage can't be outraged by the levels of illegal immigration. It is a very poor grasp or understanding of the country and the world they live in. I imagine they never leave their houses, and only mix with people in the same Labour cult.

A woke bubble of brainwashed narratives stuck on repeat.

TheABC · Yesterday 10:22

Leaving the ECHR is widely seen as a non starter because it's enmeshed with other international and domestic treaties, including Northern Ireland's Good Friday Agreement. Having said that, the pressure is so great that I think it will be amended or reformed. I think we're going to see a lot more third-country processing hubs and a massive tightening of proof for people applying for asylum across the EU. I also agree, we could do much more with the money we spend by giving people safe refuge in countries near their home than making them traipse halfway across the world. Most of the young men on those boats won't get higher-rate taxpayer jobs: they are more likely to disappear into the informal economy and do low paying gig work which is the opposite of what we need in the country.

I also think we need to shift the conversation - it's not about legality, but control. We need to get a grip on uncontrolled migration. Not just the visible problem of the boats, but also people who come over on tourist or student visas and simple disappear. We don't track who goes back and who stays. No one follows up on overstayers. Even when we know they are lying, we can't deport and less than 4% go back. If you have a 96% chance of staying in a country once you make it, wouldn't you try to get there?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:22

LakieLady · Yesterday 10:12

I have 2 friends who work in care homes; one is in the SE and one in East Anglia.

They've both told me that the homes have so much difficulty recruiting staff that they are heavily reliant on agency staff, and that the majority of those agency staff are from South Asia.

Anecdata, I know, but if that picture is a general one in the care sector, our old and infirm would be fucked. Or the NHS would, because hospitals would be full of old people whose care needs couldn't be met because of care staff shortages.

Do you mean the care homes rely on people crossing the channel as staff?

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 10:22

Shitshowpolitics · Yesterday 10:14

That has got to be a wind up post. Talk about flattering yourselves. The level of self importance is astonishing.

You were responding to a post that wondered where these men would have their sexual needs met and the poster was worried about rapes.

What are you implying? That a woman has to be attractive to be raped.

These men rape children and old women, so fuck off with your "flattering to be raped" shit. Any hole will do.

Maybe you think women should make them selves invisible or unattractive to avoid being raped-cover their hair, wear a burka.

In which case, I think we know exactly who and what you are.

EnglishRose26 · Yesterday 10:22

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 10:21

Oh I'm sure the leftists will demand that all women have a duty to 'put out' in order to keep them happy 🙄

It will help with a population in decline, and the very least we should do. Providing future bum washers.

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 10:22

igglepiggll · Yesterday 10:12

Drill down to the neighbourhoods (as most town and cities have their wealthy and poorer parts) and you will see UC claimants in most areas.

Well yes - if I do that in my constituency I can see that the majority of UC claimants are in a large council estate (9.8%). And in my neighbourhood is much lower (4.2%). So my premise still holds: benefits claimants are concentrated in poor areas.

ChattyKnickers · Yesterday 10:24

Hungary and Poland are a lot safer for women than the UK. Think about why

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 10:24

TheOutlier · Yesterday 10:13

Yeah, those boats are awash with care workers. Can’t wait until one is wiping my bottom for me. Pull the other one!

You know full well the care worker comment was responding to a comment about restricting migration more widely. Asylum seekers make up a small proportion of overall immigration numbers. 50%of successful asylum seekers are women although don't worry I don't think they will automatically be wiping your bum either. I am sure you have loving family who want to do that.
The majority of immigration is not asylum seekers but people coming for a wide range of reasons. Suddenly shutting of that tap would have consequences for care work, the prison services, the NHS etc. That doesn't mean, before you get confused, I am saying that every single one is going to be a care worker for you personally.

The very deliberate mixing of issues -talking about all immigrants one minute and then changing tack and making it just about asylum seekers the next, then making it about male asylum seekers, then using numbers for all immigrants again is very obvious by now.

GiaGia16 · Yesterday 10:24

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 10:22

You were responding to a post that wondered where these men would have their sexual needs met and the poster was worried about rapes.

What are you implying? That a woman has to be attractive to be raped.

These men rape children and old women, so fuck off with your "flattering to be raped" shit. Any hole will do.

Maybe you think women should make them selves invisible or unattractive to avoid being raped-cover their hair, wear a burka.

In which case, I think we know exactly who and what you are.

Thank you, beat me to it.

EnglishRose26 · Yesterday 10:26

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 10:24

You know full well the care worker comment was responding to a comment about restricting migration more widely. Asylum seekers make up a small proportion of overall immigration numbers. 50%of successful asylum seekers are women although don't worry I don't think they will automatically be wiping your bum either. I am sure you have loving family who want to do that.
The majority of immigration is not asylum seekers but people coming for a wide range of reasons. Suddenly shutting of that tap would have consequences for care work, the prison services, the NHS etc. That doesn't mean, before you get confused, I am saying that every single one is going to be a care worker for you personally.

The very deliberate mixing of issues -talking about all immigrants one minute and then changing tack and making it just about asylum seekers the next, then making it about male asylum seekers, then using numbers for all immigrants again is very obvious by now.

Please don't post without linking your statistics from a verified source. Otherwise you are just posting fiction.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 10:27

user1484056932 · Yesterday 10:11

Well all the illegal unvetted men arriving think of women and girls as pieces of meat, many incidents of them targeting young vulnerable women coming out of nightclubs on their own and harassing school girls as they walk to school etc.

The UK is no longer a safe country to bring up children, we now have to be permanent bodyguards to our children due to the risks that successive governments have put on us, unforgivable.

In most islamic countries, women and girls have to be chaperoned everywhere by a male relative or her husband.

StarieNight · Yesterday 10:28

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 09:59

That legal route exists. It's called the skilled worker visa. You need to be going into a job that pays a minimum of £41,700 (higher in some occupations, lower in healthcare).

So how are vape shops and barbers and nail.bars using it then ?

TheOutlier · Yesterday 10:30

Vape shops, barbers, nail bars, car washes, American candy stores - all of these are clearly money laundering enterprises for organised crime. Why isn’t HMRC investigating for starters?

LakieLady · Yesterday 10:30

Bushmillsbabe · 11/08/2026 20:02

Nope. On average, someone who enters the country via asylum route will be a net taker over their lifetime, collectively they are not adding anything financially into the 'tax pot' which pays pensions etc, they are actually reducing the pot.

But those who enter via a skilled worker visa or similar will usually be a net contributor, on average more than someone born in the uk

So we need to be careful to differentiate when looking at immigrant financial contributions.

Have you got a source for that, please?

I've known 4 people who entered the UK as asylum seekers and got refugee status (3 as clients and one I know socially). All of them are working and earning decent money (one is a psychiatrist working in the NHS, another a surveyor, the third was a TEFL teacher). The friend who is the 4th one came here as an asylum seeker, got an archaelogy degree while waiting for her asylum application to be determined and is now running the education programme for a museum and two historic buildings. All working, paying tax and contributing to society.

EnglishRose26 · Yesterday 10:31

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 10:24

You know full well the care worker comment was responding to a comment about restricting migration more widely. Asylum seekers make up a small proportion of overall immigration numbers. 50%of successful asylum seekers are women although don't worry I don't think they will automatically be wiping your bum either. I am sure you have loving family who want to do that.
The majority of immigration is not asylum seekers but people coming for a wide range of reasons. Suddenly shutting of that tap would have consequences for care work, the prison services, the NHS etc. That doesn't mean, before you get confused, I am saying that every single one is going to be a care worker for you personally.

The very deliberate mixing of issues -talking about all immigrants one minute and then changing tack and making it just about asylum seekers the next, then making it about male asylum seekers, then using numbers for all immigrants again is very obvious by now.

To be fair it hardly matters what the statistics tell us, because most of the men staying here that are illegal (and not in the gov stats) and are 'invisible" they really don't care about the legalities - they are here to make serious money. They are not here to wipe your bum I am afraid, sadly for you, some of them will be able to get your some ketamine, illegal vapes, a stolen car or an exploited trafficked young woman at a drop of a hat though if any of that floats your boat.

Shitshowpolitics · Yesterday 10:31

Imaginary86 · Yesterday 10:14

He’s going to do fuck all about the boats then, just expects other areas of the country to be more accommodating to them

It’s amazing how often the conversation about “the boats” completely ignores Britain’s own history. Britain spent centuries travelling across the world, colonising countries, controlling their people and extracting their resources. We created political, economic and cultural connections with huge parts of the world that still exist today.

Then look at Windrush. People from the Caribbean came to the so-called mother country, many as British subjects, and helped rebuild post-war Britain. They worked in our NHS, transport system and industries, only to face horrendous racism and discrimination. Decades later, some were even wrongly treated as illegal immigrants, detained and removed from the very country they had every right to call home.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't control our borders or deal with dangerous Channel crossings. We absolutely should. But this idea that Britain has always existed as some isolated little island that the rest of the world suddenly decided to descend upon is historically ridiculous.

For centuries Britain went out into the world. Now people act completely bewildered that some of the world comes to Britain. And as for the suggestion elsewhere on this thread that these men are coming because they want British womene bodies talk about flattering yourselves.

EnglishRose26 · Yesterday 10:31

No pun intended

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