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To think Count Binface is doing a great job in the Clacton by-election?

822 replies

Darker · 10/08/2026 11:43

Count down to Bin Day!

Count Binface has been out bigging-up Clacton and drawing attention to its potential.

It’s a really positive campaign.

I don’t think he’ll win but I’d love it if he did. I think he’d be brilliant.

And if he doesn’t, I think other candidates could learn a lot from his approach.

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LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:33

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:31

Your first point makes no sense. Your second point asks me to justify something I haven't said.

"What is it about my opposition to racism that you struggle to comprehend? Is it because you're so blindsided by your own racism?"

I've put it in quotes since you forgot what you accused me of.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:37

You're demanding that I prove you've been racist on this thread. I haven't said that you have.

You said you would vote unashamedly for racist parties. What does that infer? Anti racists do not vote for Reform, neither do they say that they would openly vote for the National Front or BNP.

Only you know if you're a racist or not. I'm simply making an accusation which you are free to refute. Just like the accusations which you've made and others are free to refute, if they feel it's a valuable use of their time.

piscofrisco · 14/08/2026 12:38

Noodledog · 14/08/2026 12:16

Do you think it was fair not to offer constituents candidates from mainstream parties to vote for?

It’s not inherent on any party to field a candidate in an election if they don’t wish to. It’s in no way unfair that they didn’t? This election didn’t need to be called. It’s been completely pointless and a waste of money.
It hasn’t shown that the people of Clacton believe Farage hasn’t broken the parliamentary rules by accepting his 5 million quid from a crypto billionaire, then voting for policies that would benefit crypto billionaires, because that’s not what they were asked to vote on.
It hasn’t done what Farage thought it would, and it’s just cost 250 grand and caused further division.

It hasn’t upset ‘the establishment’ (or the bin) as it’s just retained the status quo. I personally don’t understand how people who voted for him don’t get that but that’s the way it goes.

If found guilty he will be suspended from
parliament and if and only if that’s for more than 10 days will there be another Clacton election. Again a further waste of time and money for all involved. Which in itself is ridiculous. Farage could have saved all this by just being honest, or even undertaking to answer the questions put to him. I will never understand how his supporters don’t see this-but then I’m sure they would never understand some of my points of view either. I just hope more people question it and other things about him and Reform in general as a result of this scrutiny, and yes, the work of the bin on raising the profile of this election and the questionable activity of Farage.

mumumental · 14/08/2026 12:39

I’m sorry he lost. I see Farage continued as per habitual by not gracing the constituency with a visit. What an MP.

Darker · 14/08/2026 12:43

The electorate voted Farage in for up to five years. He had no business making them go to the polls again.

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Mooselander · 14/08/2026 12:44

Darker · 14/08/2026 12:43

The electorate voted Farage in for up to five years. He had no business making them go to the polls again.

Excellent news. And of course he did 🤣

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:45

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:37

You're demanding that I prove you've been racist on this thread. I haven't said that you have.

You said you would vote unashamedly for racist parties. What does that infer? Anti racists do not vote for Reform, neither do they say that they would openly vote for the National Front or BNP.

Only you know if you're a racist or not. I'm simply making an accusation which you are free to refute. Just like the accusations which you've made and others are free to refute, if they feel it's a valuable use of their time.

Once again, you're making things up. Just because I didn't confirm your presumptions, doesn't make me a racist. No, Reform voters are not racist, that's again something you're fabricating. They have different political views to you. You've concluded I'm racist without any strand of proof.

lollylimejuice · 14/08/2026 12:46

Darker · 14/08/2026 11:49

@lollylimejuice Please give me an example of where the voters of Clacton have been derided? You said:

While you are all typing away, deriding the constituents of Clacton most of them are on the shop floor wondering what is going to happen next. Which tax will go up, how will they cover the cost of childcare. Who is defending the Realm, what to do about the NHS

But Farage isn’t interested in those things. His Brexit campaign has cost the less well- off people dearly. And has increased immigration. He will destroy the NHS.

I am very much interested in developing thriving communities.

We don’t get those by spouting empty rhetoric about small boats, while advising rich people how to pay less tax and trousering large amounts of money for personal use.

By continually assuming that Farage is unsuitable to stand you are deriding the voters who voted him in. He is their choice. The other parties made a mockery of our political system by backing away. If they were so sure the people of Clacton had at last seen through him, they would have put up candidates and got rid of him before the next election.

Better discussion. Why in God's name are they putting solar panels on farmland. Why not use warehouses, car parks and any public buildings. Leave our countryside alone!
Will the people who get to meet Andy Burnham on his 'tour' get to ask him any question or will the audience be picked and questions chosen in advance.
What happens to the debt he left in Manchester and WHO elected him.
Farage will survive well, he's canny!

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:48

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:45

Once again, you're making things up. Just because I didn't confirm your presumptions, doesn't make me a racist. No, Reform voters are not racist, that's again something you're fabricating. They have different political views to you. You've concluded I'm racist without any strand of proof.

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If that's how you'd like to refute my accusations, that's your prerogative. Many would disagree, and that is theirs.

Of course, I didn't say Reform voters are racist. I said anti racists don't vote Reform and that is quite a different statement to the one you claim I made.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:48

Mooselander · 14/08/2026 12:44

Excellent news. And of course he did 🤣

Do you want to remind her of Josh Simons, or shall I!

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:49

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:48

If that's how you'd like to refute my accusations, that's your prerogative. Many would disagree, and that is theirs.

Of course, I didn't say Reform voters are racist. I said anti racists don't vote Reform and that is quite a different statement to the one you claim I made.

Twist the words all you want. Don't make baseless accusations unless you can back them up.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:50

lollylimejuice · 14/08/2026 12:46

By continually assuming that Farage is unsuitable to stand you are deriding the voters who voted him in. He is their choice. The other parties made a mockery of our political system by backing away. If they were so sure the people of Clacton had at last seen through him, they would have put up candidates and got rid of him before the next election.

Better discussion. Why in God's name are they putting solar panels on farmland. Why not use warehouses, car parks and any public buildings. Leave our countryside alone!
Will the people who get to meet Andy Burnham on his 'tour' get to ask him any question or will the audience be picked and questions chosen in advance.
What happens to the debt he left in Manchester and WHO elected him.
Farage will survive well, he's canny!

I'm unconvinced that you understand why the main parties stood down in this particular by-election.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:51

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:49

Twist the words all you want. Don't make baseless accusations unless you can back them up.

There's a difference between twisting words and correcting someone's wrongful interpretation of what you have said. You claimed I called Reform voters racist and I cleared up your misunderstanding.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:52

lollylimejuice · 14/08/2026 12:46

By continually assuming that Farage is unsuitable to stand you are deriding the voters who voted him in. He is their choice. The other parties made a mockery of our political system by backing away. If they were so sure the people of Clacton had at last seen through him, they would have put up candidates and got rid of him before the next election.

Better discussion. Why in God's name are they putting solar panels on farmland. Why not use warehouses, car parks and any public buildings. Leave our countryside alone!
Will the people who get to meet Andy Burnham on his 'tour' get to ask him any question or will the audience be picked and questions chosen in advance.
What happens to the debt he left in Manchester and WHO elected him.
Farage will survive well, he's canny!

👏 💯

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 12:53

I'm glad Farage won and also think this whole thing has been a bit of a farce, glad it's over, and it was a waste of time for all involved.

I think it would also be a farce to have another by-election after whatever committee decision is made. It's not like they are going to come back with new information not already baked into voters' decision making.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:55

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:51

There's a difference between twisting words and correcting someone's wrongful interpretation of what you have said. You claimed I called Reform voters racist and I cleared up your misunderstanding.

😆 🤣 😂 😹 watch your arms from all that backpeddling.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:55

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 12:53

I'm glad Farage won and also think this whole thing has been a bit of a farce, glad it's over, and it was a waste of time for all involved.

I think it would also be a farce to have another by-election after whatever committee decision is made. It's not like they are going to come back with new information not already baked into voters' decision making.

If your MP was found guilty of wrongdoing, wouldn't you want the chance of a recall petition? Surely you wouldn't be happy to let serious misconduct go entirely unpunished, however mild and ineffective that punishment was? It's a case of principle and standards.

Darker · 14/08/2026 12:56

Will Farage be allowed to stand again if the enquiry finds him guilty of wrongdoing?

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ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:57

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 12:55

😆 🤣 😂 😹 watch your arms from all that backpeddling.

The thing is, everything I've said is here on public record. I haven't attempted to edit or remove a thing. So people can judge for themselves whether I've backpedalled or not. I'm happy with what I've written.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:58

Darker · 14/08/2026 12:56

Will Farage be allowed to stand again if the enquiry finds him guilty of wrongdoing?

Yes.

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 13:07

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:55

If your MP was found guilty of wrongdoing, wouldn't you want the chance of a recall petition? Surely you wouldn't be happy to let serious misconduct go entirely unpunished, however mild and ineffective that punishment was? It's a case of principle and standards.

I don't have anything against recall petitions, I'm saying I think it would be an utter waste of time unless there is substantial new information revealed that wasn't available yesterday. So if I were a voter in Clacton asked to sign one, I would decline. Other voters in Clacton might make different choices.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/08/2026 13:08

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 12:57

The thing is, everything I've said is here on public record. I haven't attempted to edit or remove a thing. So people can judge for themselves whether I've backpedalled or not. I'm happy with what I've written.

So happy yet you've still not proven where I've been racist. That's fine. Maybe the next poster you try that on with will be more forgiving.

ClarkeandNewman · 14/08/2026 13:10

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 13:07

I don't have anything against recall petitions, I'm saying I think it would be an utter waste of time unless there is substantial new information revealed that wasn't available yesterday. So if I were a voter in Clacton asked to sign one, I would decline. Other voters in Clacton might make different choices.

Yes, I'm not sure I'd see much point but for me that would be because I think Farage would be elected in Clacton whatever he did. The only thing that would stop him being elected there would be if he was in prison. The voters there love him, plus I think people enjoy being represented by a party leader. I'd still sign it though. Mr Farage has a lot to say about other people's conduct so I think he should be held accountable for his own.

Shakeoffyourchains · 14/08/2026 13:11

lollylimejuice · 14/08/2026 12:46

By continually assuming that Farage is unsuitable to stand you are deriding the voters who voted him in. He is their choice. The other parties made a mockery of our political system by backing away. If they were so sure the people of Clacton had at last seen through him, they would have put up candidates and got rid of him before the next election.

Better discussion. Why in God's name are they putting solar panels on farmland. Why not use warehouses, car parks and any public buildings. Leave our countryside alone!
Will the people who get to meet Andy Burnham on his 'tour' get to ask him any question or will the audience be picked and questions chosen in advance.
What happens to the debt he left in Manchester and WHO elected him.
Farage will survive well, he's canny!

Tbf Farage's track record in every single elected position he has held should be proof enough he's unsuitable for public office, but if voters want to ignore that because he shouts populist rhetoric that's their choice. Doesn't mean their choice is above derision though.

As to why are they (not sure who they are? Renewable developers or investors maybe?) putting solar panels on farmland, it's generally because farmers are happy to sell/lease the land to said developers and it's cheaper to build there than in established urban centres.

Also did Farage make a mockery of the 2019 election when he stood down candidates in the 317 tory held constituencies or was that ok cause it benefited your side?

BIossomtoes · 14/08/2026 13:12

OneAmberFinch · 14/08/2026 13:07

I don't have anything against recall petitions, I'm saying I think it would be an utter waste of time unless there is substantial new information revealed that wasn't available yesterday. So if I were a voter in Clacton asked to sign one, I would decline. Other voters in Clacton might make different choices.

I expect they will. If everyone who voted for Binface signed a recall petition the required number will be almost reached, only another 400 would be needed.