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Job market is awful

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Flowerpowerz · 03/08/2026 19:34

I work in pharma (general field) and the job market is horrendous. I’m seeing a huge trend towards AI which is not surprising. Perhaps more concerning is the massive uptick of offshore partners aka shipping work out to India because they are cheaper than people in the uk and USA. I have several friends in several related companies (technology, IT, coding) that have lost jobs due to this. They are being expected to share knowledge with their Indian colleagues before their redundancy kicks in.

I have honestly never known it so bad. My linked in is a sea of “open to work”

is it just me or has anyone else noticed these trends? It’s worse than ever

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amala18 · 04/08/2026 13:57

SpaceRaccoon · 04/08/2026 13:52

True, I'm slightly older than you and the whole pension thing focusses the mind.
But honestly, if you're that miserable in England and you know from past expeience how much happier you were in Spain, I'd go for it - you only get the one life after all. Having an EU passport is a tremendous advantage, and I presume you're bilingual?
And yes salaries are lower but so is housing, local taxes, utilities etc.

Thank you, Yes I was happier in Spain.

But money is a worry for us all and I am in a job in England. It's so hard to know what the right thing is to do sometimes.

Should I leave my regular job in the UK - for a chance at happiness. Do I have enough money to fall back on if it goes wrong. I think Im going to spend some time thinking about it. I'll write out a list of pros and cons.

Interestingly a woman that works in the next building to me, is in her forties and just left her job in England to work in real estate in Spain. Its not too late but I think you really have to think it through later in life

cityliving99 · 04/08/2026 14:06

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 13:54

People in the YooKay are just going to have to accept a lower standard of living. Not everyone will be able to have a car or go on foreign holidays or change their mobile phone every year or have macciedees delivered every day.

Really? What planet do you live on?
There are teens at my school who have never been on holiday, have second hand phones and have a pretty low standard of living.
Open your eyes a little….

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:15

cityliving99 · 04/08/2026 14:06

Really? What planet do you live on?
There are teens at my school who have never been on holiday, have second hand phones and have a pretty low standard of living.
Open your eyes a little….

That will just become the norm then. Since poverty is relative, when everyone is poor, noone will be poor.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:20

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:15

That will just become the norm then. Since poverty is relative, when everyone is poor, noone will be poor.

Earth is hard isn't it.

I grew up in poverty of money, and total poverty of love, which I think is the real poverty. No one cared about me

However I think I can't really complain as at least I didn't grow up in a war torn country. So many people have it so hard.

I do sometimes wonder: is the child in a really poor but loving family in Africa, more unhappy than a child in a family that is less poor in Europe but who's parents don't love them. We all go through so much. Just being alive is hard

Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:23

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 10:30

We can all open a vape shop on the high street or become Turkish barbers

It's actually really hard to become a barber as once you have qualified you need a barber to take you on and they tend to be family run businesses that don't employ outsiders. I know someone whose son (white british) trained as a barber but only had one interview and the guy said it was a good cut but he chose someone with more experience. He just gave up trying after so many knock backs and took a job as a security guard.

Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:30

StandingDeskDisco · 04/08/2026 11:38

The only way to introduce UBI is to set it at subsistence level: the same rate as a single person Universal Credit payment is currently.
That way, it replaces UC, basic state pension, and most benefits. It also replaces some or all of the income tax personal allowance. So people already in work would see no change except their payslip would show UBI offset by tax, with net pay the same.
So for most people, their income would not change, whether it is from current benefits, pensions, or working.
There would be massive savings in benefits staff, with removal of all those staff required to check up on making sure people are looking for work. The requirement to look for work would be removed. For lower levels of sickness or disability, the requirement for medical evidence would be removed, so more staff savings.
The extra cost of the scheme would be those who currently have no income, e.g. SAHP being supported by a partner, who would get UBI.

Housing benefit and higher rate disability benefits would have to remain in place. There may also be a need to keep UC payments for children.

Most people will not be happy to live on a pittance of UBI, so will still want to go out to work. But if the jobs are not there, you would have to survive on UBI just as people now have to survive on UC.

Housing benefit and higher rate disability benefits would have to remain in place. There may also be a need to keep UC payments for children

If you are keeping housing benefits, disability benefits and family related benefits under UBI then you are keeping nearly all of the benefits structure and associated staff, AND have the cost of paying UBI to those who currently do not get it as their savings are too high (and you only need a few K in savings to start having benefits reduced) or their partner's income is too high.

It sounds like an expensive policy!!

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:35

Just as an aside, why would a window cleaner have two ferocious dobermans in his van?

Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:40

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:35

Just as an aside, why would a window cleaner have two ferocious dobermans in his van?

Maybe he likes dobermans (great dogs, very loyal).

Maybe he likes to look tough.

Maybe he wants to deter thieves from nicking his van.

The easiest way to get the answer to your question would be to ask the actual window cleaner why he has two dobermans in his van.

IcedPurple · 04/08/2026 14:41

Savvysix1984 · 04/08/2026 13:26

I’m also glad I have one dc who I will hopefully be able to help if needed. She’s also doing two languages, has a EU passport and hopes to live in Spain for a time when she’s older.

Spain isn't going to be immune from AI and other factors affecting the job market.

As I said above, wages there are low and unemployment is high. That's why there are tons of young Spanish people moving abroad to find better job opportunities.

AI is going to wreck havoc on jobs all over the world, not just in Britain.

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 14:42

Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:40

Maybe he likes dobermans (great dogs, very loyal).

Maybe he likes to look tough.

Maybe he wants to deter thieves from nicking his van.

The easiest way to get the answer to your question would be to ask the actual window cleaner why he has two dobermans in his van.

I suspect he can leave them at home as they would rip his house/flat to shreds.

SadiraOfTyr · 04/08/2026 14:43

Bathroomphilosopher · 04/08/2026 14:30

Housing benefit and higher rate disability benefits would have to remain in place. There may also be a need to keep UC payments for children

If you are keeping housing benefits, disability benefits and family related benefits under UBI then you are keeping nearly all of the benefits structure and associated staff, AND have the cost of paying UBI to those who currently do not get it as their savings are too high (and you only need a few K in savings to start having benefits reduced) or their partner's income is too high.

It sounds like an expensive policy!!

Yeah - that's not UBI. As soon as you start giving top-ups for housing, children etc it's no longer UBI - it's just UC. The idea is to give a very basic standard of living (similar to state pension) for everyone so that those who cannot (or will not) work, at least are not destitute. Because it isn't means tested (everyone over the age of 18 gets it) it removes a huge administrative cost. And it also removes complexity in the tax system as in most proposals it comes with flat rate income tax.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:44

they really need to get more women running the world.

there is no need for earth to be as difficult as it is. there is more than enough housing for everyone. people can live in static caravans rent free.

the current governments keep trying to get everyone into huge debt and then paying huge rent/mortgages for a tiny box

BlueFahrenheit · 04/08/2026 14:48

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:44

they really need to get more women running the world.

there is no need for earth to be as difficult as it is. there is more than enough housing for everyone. people can live in static caravans rent free.

the current governments keep trying to get everyone into huge debt and then paying huge rent/mortgages for a tiny box

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Oh - where is this housing?

CalliopeFosterBeauchamp · 04/08/2026 14:49

Palomiino · 03/08/2026 23:18

So very true! My daughter is a junior designer. She just had the horrible experience of a small company inviting her for a job interview in order to steal her ideas but not actually employ her.

Depends what kind of designer she is, @Palomiino - but if it’s software / screens / user interfaces, tell her to contact Scrumconnect. They’re hiring for a junior designer now x

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:56

BlueFahrenheit · 04/08/2026 14:48

Oh - where is this housing?

Everywhere.

Just looking at Ireland for example. Ireland has 163,000 empty houses.

The U.K has 700,000 empty houses.

People should also be encouraged to buy cheaper static mobile homes or alternative ways of living like van life. (convert and sleep in a van)

People are constantly being told that they must get huge mortgages/pay huge rent - to get everyone under pressure

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:58

There are other ways of living.

Yet we are all so conditioned to live the same high pressure way, that we are afraid to live any other way.

People who live in vans are still often seen as weird and hippy, when actually it makes a lot of sense.

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 15:04

SadiraOfTyr · 04/08/2026 14:43

Yeah - that's not UBI. As soon as you start giving top-ups for housing, children etc it's no longer UBI - it's just UC. The idea is to give a very basic standard of living (similar to state pension) for everyone so that those who cannot (or will not) work, at least are not destitute. Because it isn't means tested (everyone over the age of 18 gets it) it removes a huge administrative cost. And it also removes complexity in the tax system as in most proposals it comes with flat rate income tax.

Why would anyone get a job, given how stressful the world of work is? Who would do jobs like nurses, doctors, fire brigade, police, army etc. Who would get up at 5 to start work at 6 as an emergency worker?

justasking111 · 04/08/2026 15:05

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:58

There are other ways of living.

Yet we are all so conditioned to live the same high pressure way, that we are afraid to live any other way.

People who live in vans are still often seen as weird and hippy, when actually it makes a lot of sense.

I don't know how I'd manage to hold down a job in a van. We've had small boats gone away for a week. There's limited space, no flushing toilet, nowhere to shower, no space to hang work clothes let alone wash them unless we called in at a marina where they have washing machines and showering facilities. No way could we hold down a job.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 15:06

justasking111 · 04/08/2026 15:05

I don't know how I'd manage to hold down a job in a van. We've had small boats gone away for a week. There's limited space, no flushing toilet, nowhere to shower, no space to hang work clothes let alone wash them unless we called in at a marina where they have washing machines and showering facilities. No way could we hold down a job.

you can have a shower and a toilet in a van

smallglassbottle · 04/08/2026 15:09

Farmers will often let people live in a van in a corner of a field providing they don't make a mess, have fires and if they help out on the farm, pick crops etc. You can do this abroad as well, doesn't even have to be a farm. There's a website, but I can't remember the name of it. It advertises for people to help out and they'll let you stay for free. You might be needed for a small building project, decorating, a big clean up, animal care, pet sitting or help with crops.

amala18 · 04/08/2026 15:10

smallglassbottle · 04/08/2026 15:09

Farmers will often let people live in a van in a corner of a field providing they don't make a mess, have fires and if they help out on the farm, pick crops etc. You can do this abroad as well, doesn't even have to be a farm. There's a website, but I can't remember the name of it. It advertises for people to help out and they'll let you stay for free. You might be needed for a small building project, decorating, a big clean up, animal care, pet sitting or help with crops.

There are students doing it now too. I was watching a news story about a student who was living in his van all through his university years

Digerydont · 04/08/2026 15:11

Provided they don't park in my street, I don't mind if people live in a van

inamarina · 04/08/2026 15:14

amala18 · 04/08/2026 14:44

they really need to get more women running the world.

there is no need for earth to be as difficult as it is. there is more than enough housing for everyone. people can live in static caravans rent free.

the current governments keep trying to get everyone into huge debt and then paying huge rent/mortgages for a tiny box

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Who is ‘they’ though?

justasking111 · 04/08/2026 15:14

amala18 · 04/08/2026 15:06

you can have a shower and a toilet in a van

Day in day out ad nauseum. Going into work and coming home to a van?

amala18 · 04/08/2026 15:17

inamarina · 04/08/2026 15:14

Who is ‘they’ though?

The people on Planet Earth.

The current Government control systems were formed when men were in power.

We need to get more women in power - to get a better balance for people on the planet. Women are naturally more empathetic as we have the ability to sustain another body in our bodies.

When it is mainly men in power - we get lack of empathy, cruelty and destruction in the world

We eventually need to have a system where more power is in each person,not just in a few people in government who then misuse the power - but it will take time