AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

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Read a couple of accounts this week of racist, public supporters of the far-right being sacked for spouting race / immigrant / trans hate on their personal social media accounts.

One was a doctors receptionist.
The other a school learning support assistant.

Both roles where they are likely to work with people in the groups they're publicly trashing online. One was recorded at a far-right rally, speaking about the amount of immigrants she was forced to support in her line of work.

What is your opinion on this?

YABU - People should be able to express their opinion without fear of losing their job. Freedom of speech.

YANBU - Anyone with any kind of public facing role/a role where their employer is likely disapprove of this should not publicly post this way and needs to understand that being sacked is their own fault.

Absolutely agree that many on the far right of the political spectrum are antisemitic. As are many on the far left.

I’m not sure I agree, people aren’t disciplined for their political views or membership per se, but for the things they say. These may relate to their political views but there’s a big difference - as many have pointed out - between expressing political views and hate speech. Obviously there are also those who say hateful things and pretend it’s a political view. But if you have a specific example where a councillor has been sacked for their views alone I’d be interested to see it.

I don't think it's the far right that have been making Jews feel unsafe over the last 3 years.

Are you Jewish and speaking of your own experience?

Btw do the FSU ever represent, eg, SWP supporters? They only seem to cover cases if people on the right.

No I'm not but I have eyes and ears. Are you Muslim?

Anti-trans often means stating that biological sex is immutable and that women (adult human females) should have single sex spaces and services like rape crisis and domestic abuse support. The attacks by Amnesty on Beira’s Place show just how distorted this narrative is. Please don’t link “anti-trans” in with racism and anti-immigration. And yes, if I’d said at work 2 years ago that I thought people could not change sex and that services should be single sex, I would have expected to be disciplined. Someone in my organisation lost their job for liking JKR tweets on X. If that’s ok, then something is very seriously wrong.

The FSU offered to represent the trans University worker.

So yes they do represnt those that are not right wing.

Unfortunately that's not true. The conference of European rabbis has repeatedy called for no ties with the far right because of neo nazi rhetoric. The CST has reported that the far right are a key force behind hatred directed at the Jewish community and the ADL report clear links between far right ideology and harassment of Jewish people.
Don't let what concerns you about some people on the left blind you to the threat from the far right. Do some digging because what you uncover would terrify anyone concerned for the safety of the Jewish Community.
We don't need extremists of any flavour and you don't fight extremism with a different type of extremism.

They offered to support Heather Herbert, so yes, they will support anyone, not just “people on the right”.

JKR's lawyers have soon put Amnesty Int in their place. So somebody representing Amnesty was bold enough to call victims of rape anti rights. That's the point though - as with Oxbridge students respectively celebrating Jewish and Charlie Kirk's deaths, there's a reluctance to believe the left are capable of despicable acts and they therefore become more emboldened. I am not taking about the left as a whole because I've seen plenty showing their disgust. This thread is a classic example of trying to minimise the blatantly obvious.

I agree we don't need any extremism. Believe me, l know the rise of the far right was built on Nazism.

I'm retired now, but worked for an organisation that was shit hot about all sorts of equality issues for 20 years.

There was a clause in all employment contracts about not engaging in activity that could bring the organisation into disrepute when I started there in the early noughties, and a few years later they introduced a social media policy that covered this sort of stuff.

I'm sure that cases like this would lead to disciplinary action there.

It could also be a disciplinary matter if you repeatedly misgendered a trans colleague; that was included in the Equalities policy around 15 years ago.

And if she felt the sentence was excessive, she could have appealed against it.

Would something like stating 'men can't become women' on SM be considered a breach?

No, I’m Jewish, and I don’t find that anti-Semitism is restricted to the left. I’ve also provided you a source if multiple far right anti—Semitic plots and convictions.

Freedom of speech doesn’t provide blanket immunity and
its really not as straightforward as you imply OP.

Racism isn’t acceptable in any form but being concerned about levels of illegal immigration in a small community isn’t the same thing at all.

Additionally, being vocally unsupportive about trans identifying people is entirely reasonable, if you acknowledge that people can’t change sex and view support as affirming their delusions. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Regardless of the law, performative misgendering is just tedious. Why deliberately call someone something they’ve asked you not to, if not legally or clinically necessary? Like when people insist on Miss for unmarried women, despite Ms being well established and preferred by many. Obviously should t be a sackable offence but I’d view a colleague dimly for being such a fucking bore.

What a bizarre comment! Have you heard about WW2?

I suppose it depends where you think the performative misgendering occurs. I personally think a male asking someone to use female pronouns is performative. It’s my choice as to what language I think appropriate to use depending on the persons sex, which is almost always obvious. I don’t think correctly sexing someone is performative

I am left wing, and I don’t think people should lose their jobs for being right wing or being anti immigration. I do think they should for racism, and discrimination.

I suppose it is what is being said, and the job they are in. If someone said ‘I am Opposed to immigration and fear it’s having a negative impact on the country’ then fine. If someone said ‘I hate immigrants and Muslims and wish their boats would overturn’ then I think that warrants a different response.

A lot of people on here seem to think they need to slavishly follow their employers policies. Not quite the case. The employers policies also need to comply with the law. A lot don’t

I wouldn’t call a hypothetical trans identified male colleague “he” or “she” in the workplace, I would go out of my way to avoid pronouns at all. No doubt he’d probably take offence to that, as he’d know I was doing it because I didn’t see him as a woman, but legally I believe I’m on strong ground.

I've been involved in a small way in left politics and anti-racism since the 1970s, and have never heard any "anti uk, anti white and christaphobic" views expressed. Being opposed to racism is not in any sense anti-white, all the groups I have been involved with have been predominantly white, even when I lived in a racially mixed area of South London.

As for "christaphobic", many of my fellow participants have been practicing, church-going Christians, including a Methodist lay preacher, who find tolerance and acceptance of others' faith, sexual orientation or gender status entirely consistent with their Christian faith.

Have you actually read the tenants of critical race theory?
It explicitly states "All whites are racist" it lays all the ills of the world on Christianity and British colonialism so yes anti white, christaphobic and anti uk