Anyone else surprised that there isn’t more uproar about global warming right now?

[fluffythecat1]

In the grips of an unprecedentedly hot summer, schools closing, fridges breaking down in many supermarkets, impending drought. How come there is not more popular protest as we experience properly for the first time what the future will hold? It is a problem for global leaders and governments, however I’m surprised that Extinction Rebellion, Insulate Britain, or a similar grassroots radical protest organisation isn’t harnessing the momentum. It doesn’t seem such an abstract issue right now.

Probably too hot to protest.

Not surprised really - it was always a fashionable trend for the media and the Extinction Rebellion people were never interested in the environment - whenever they were interviewed about it they showed themselves to be hypocrites who knew nothing about the issue.

We need to focus on what we can do to adapt to a changing environment.

The framework up until recently was about changing our behaviour in a futile attempt to stop the changing climate - the result of that was we bankrupted our economy while changing absolutely nothing else.

People are too busy getting ready to jet off on yet another foreign holiday. Flying
from over 30 degree heat to somewhere thousands of miles away with over 30 degree heat just because it’s their holiday.

I don’t see any hope really. Human beings are largely selfish creatures. People only seem to change their behaviour when they are forced to because it’s too late

Their leader Greta got bored and switched to being insanely pro-Pally and they all dutifully followed.

I know someone who lost his career and was sent to prison for a peaceful protest with just stop oil. Activists have sacrificed a lot and most people still don’t care. See second poster using the chance to call activists hypocrites. What were you doing to help the situation @BlackTogetherAgain67 except moaning from your armchair?

All millennials and younger have been educated about pollution, climate change, the environment etc since childhood. There’s no lack of awareness. People are just selfish and stupid. Racism they can get behind because they get to attack some other group. Taking responsibility for their own actions, not so much.

People are too wrapped up in themselves and don't see a problem.
People refuse to believe in climate change.
People are too lazy/selfish to make changes that would actually make a difference.
Spain burns, we swelter in 34 degree heat, our gardens die and when I look up the sky is full of planes.
There is no cure for people.

I think the scale of the issue is overwhelming and people have no idea how to make a meaningful impact.

I enjoy my quality of life and think i could cut back and back and back but wars like Ukraine and Palestine emit more co2 a year than a developed country.

People see the actions required as costly to them so don’t care, or are just living short term.

Yes very true. Not much point exchanging the gigantic SUV for a small hybrid/EV when the Willy Wavers are smashing up other parts of the world.

Although I always think you can do something to make your own corner of the globe nicer. So turn engines off when waiting for your kids to come out of school, cycle/walk when you can, plant a few trees, don't waste water etc.

I’m not at all surprised. No one in history has decided them being up in arms impacts a global disaster completely out of their control.

also, action isn’t always (usually isn’t) quick and loud. Sometimes gradual change leads to significant shifts over time that go pretty unnoticed as we’re alll too busy pointing and shouting at each other

I personally have a city car and only drive 2500 miles a year. I agree very much thst appealing to making your own area nicer is more tangible snd motivating.

This is the other thing I find ( and I am not suggesting this is you btw - you just triggered a thought! ) that quite often, people suggest action is needed and we must all do our bit and are quite vocal but just happen to live in a less environmentally friendly way than me, by virtue of being richer so being able to go on holiday, have a big car, heat thuer house to 20 degrees not 17, buy new carpets which cover more area. Im not trying to have less impact its just its a consumption thing isnt it.

I haven't been on a plane in over a decade and I don't eat meat.

What have you done?

Just Stop Oil blocked an ambulance and the woman died. They also blocked a man who couldn't get to his mother's funeral.

I hope your idiotic activist friend reflects on the damage he contributed towards.

The so called grass roots organisations that you named are funded by millionaires and are out of faver with the left wing lovies who have moved on to the latest cause, whilst the actions of the extremists in those groups have enraged the general population so much that anything that they say or do will be ignored as more militant eco bs

The wars are miniscule compared to China and India's industry.

The UK contributes something like 0.6% of global CO2 emissions. The only way we can reduce that to 0.5% is converting everything to nuclear, which is very expensive.

China meanwhile contributes something like 35% on its own.

And AI data farms already are 0.5% of emissions and that's going to rise dramatically.

Also - literally noone denies climate change.

Everyone can see the climate is changing.

It's just some people are aware that someone in Tunbridge Wells bankrupting themselves by changing their boiler is not going to change the weather.

I think it’s because there’s no point in being in uproar if you’re not prepared to drastically change your habits.

The problem is even if the UK achieves net zero that only reduces global carbon emissions by 1% at most. We need the big carbon emitters like China, the US and Russia to get on board or otherwise anything we do in this country will be pointless.

Unfortunately the idea that "something must be done" doesn't always translate into there being something that we can do.

Activists should focus on over-population and industrialisation in China and its effective empire. It’s not “approved” to mention the ballooning world population, all keen to consume. No one talks about the container ships bringing in vast amounts of Temu-type crap and now cheap vehicles.

I rarely hear people mention the loss of countryside, wildlife habitat and animals, birds and flowers. Hedgehogs gone, songbirds gone, frogs gone…

They may preach about the environment in school but littering and over-consumption is clearly not on the curriculum.

They estimate conflict account for about 5% of global omissions.

War is pretty much a natural state of being. There is always war somewhere. Peace is the more unusual situation horrifically.

Not suggesting its a reason not to tackle climate change but its part of why people feel overwhelmed.

Noone asked me if I want a data centre, noone cares if I protest against one. I cant boycott use of it - because you can bet all services need like banks, food supplies, healthcare use it.

Theres nowhere to direct uproar too.

Most UK summers are cold or wet. Can we not just enjoy this one without self-flagellation?

People in power(the super rich—not governments) are making their preparations to ensure their own survival and they don’t give a shit about anyone else.
The problem itself is too big to solve. There are too many people and we’ve had it too good for too long to let go of our privilege and change. There’s no money to be made from us all becoming off grid spoon whittlers, and money is the only thing that has influence in the human world. Me protesting will make no difference at all, other than to piss people off. We can’t make anyone do what they don’t want to do, and most people just have no interest. Hence the planet is fucked.

Humans are nature’s failed experiment.

I think more and more people are exposing themselves to the views of scientists such as William Happer and Willie Soon, who argue that the Earth has always experienced major climate swings long before humans emitted significant amounts of CO₂. They point to the Medieval Warm Period, when England supported vineyards, followed by the Little Ice Age, when the River Thames regularly froze. Those changes occurred naturally, suggesting that climate has powerful natural drivers.

They argue that while CO₂ is a greenhouse gas, its warming effect diminishes as its concentration increases because its main absorption bands become increasingly saturated. Additional CO₂ still has an effect, but they contend it is much smaller than is commonly claimed. They also note that water vapour is by far the dominant greenhouse gas.

According to this view, the Sun, together with changes in cloud cover, ocean circulation, and other natural cycles, has a much greater influence on climate than current models allow. Climate models rely on assumptions about positive feedbacks that amplify the effect of CO₂, but those feedbacks are uncertain. If those assumptions are incorrect, the models will overestimate warming.

They further argue that climate models have often predicted more warming than has been observed over certain periods, suggesting they are too sensitive to CO₂. In their view, scientific theories should ultimately be judged by how well they predict reality, not by consensus.

We are almost certainly heading towards a warmer period, much like the Medieval Warm Period, but it may be driven largely—or even entirely—by that big round ball of fire in the sky: the Sun. There is now an industry built around climate modelling and the effort to combat human-induced global warming, with vast amounts of public money being directed towards it. Arguably, that money would be better spent preparing society for what may simply be natural changes in the Earth's climate. If that were accepted, however, much of that industry would disappear, and many powerful people would stand to lose financially.

The current political trend is towards people who say it isn't happening and will revoke l all policies designed to slow it down so it's not really surprising, no.

As a country within a few years we’ll be almost self sufficient for electricity through renewables and nuclear and that’s a huge step in the right direction and a great investment, whether or not it changes world wide climate change. That forecast is based on increases in electric cars and other predicted increases in electricity use

At the moment the cost is tied to gas prices which is the price issue. As the reliance on gas to make electricity falls, and there are more half hours without needing gas, prices will fall

I think it’s so positive and I find it hard to understand some of the Trumpian/reform-led attitudes

I think those that should have the best education on environmental impact I.e. young people in general are the worst. There’s so much entitlement and selfish consumerism, no effort made to recycle, and one of the worst things - festival waste - it’s obscene!