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My son stopped talking to his sister after finding out she was dating his best friend, and I don’t know how to fix this

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pilarr · Yesterday 10:52

I never thought I would be in a situation where my own children would become strangers to each other.

For context, I'm 46 years old and I have three kids. My oldest son is 19, my daughter is 18, and my youngest son is 14.

My oldest son has had the same best friend since they were 8 years old he is same age as my son. That boy has been part of our family for so long that I never really saw him as just a friend he was almost like another son to me. He was always at our house for dinners, sleepovers, holidays, and everything in between. I watched him grow up.

My daughter also grew up with him. They were the same age, went to the same school, and were always close friends. They would play together when they were younger, and as they got older they would go hiking or spend time together, especially when my son wasn’t around. I always thought they had a good friendship and that both of them were good kids.

About two months ago, my daughter came to me and told me something I wasn’t expecting she and my son’s best friend were dating. They had already been together for two months, and she told me it wasn’t just a small crush. They were serious about each other.

She was nervous telling me. The first thing I asked was whether my son knew. She said no, but she wanted to tell him herself and asked me not to say anything. I felt uncomfortable keeping something from my son, but I also felt it was my daughter’s responsibility to have that conversation with him.

My daughter is a very thoughtful person. She is not someone who makes decisions without thinking about the consequences, so I trusted that she had taken this seriously.

A month ago, my son found out from some friends that his sister and his best friend were dating. What hurt him the most was not only the relationship itself, but that everyone seemed to know except him.

He asked my daughter why she didn’t tell him. She explained that she was scared he would react exactly the way he did. She wanted to wait until she knew the relationship was serious because she didn’t want him to think it was just a temporary teenage crush.

My son was furious. He told her that she shouldn’t date his best friend and that things between them would never be the same. He also confronted his best friend, who tried to explain that he genuinely cared about my daughter and wasn’t playing around.

I understand why my son feels betrayed. His best friend was like a brother to him, and now he feels like that friendship has changed. He has also felt responsible for protecting his sister since their father passed away five years ago.

But I also told him that while his sister should have told him sooner, she did not do something wrong by having feelings for someone she cares about.

I can see both sides. My son is hurt, and my daughter feels guilty. She has cried to me because she misses her brother and doesn’t want to lose him. But my son is still angry and has completely shut both of them out.

It has been a month, and my two older kids barely speak. They act like strangers in the same house. I don’t want this to permanently damage the relationship between my children.

OP posts:
Pallisers · Yesterday 14:23

Your son is hurting because he feels his sister has stolen his best friend. That may not be true but I'm pretty sure that is what he is feeling and I feel very sorry for him.

Your daughter did nothing wrong.

My advice to you (having had a sister not speak to me for a while) is stay out of it. Stop trying to fix it. Let them figure it out themselves. Tell them you'd like them to talk and leave it there. Don't be part of the drama.

If my mum had stayed out of it my sis and I would have solved our problems much sooner.

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 14:23

dh280125 · Yesterday 14:20

We should not base whether we do the right thing on whether we think others will. The right thing is still right. That is how you have a strong and ethical centre. (I admit it took me a while to learn that, so I don't blame teens for being a bit crap...)

Yeah, the right thing is to avoid trouble if you know the adults are going to be useless

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:24

pilarr · Yesterday 13:58

Again, she knew this was going to hurt him. That is the only reason she never told him. Or maybe, from his perspective, he feels like he was not that important to her or his best friend, because she told her whole friend group but not him.

Of course, it is her life, and she can decide whatever she wants. But now she also should not expect the same old treatment from him or expect him to behave like nothing has changed.

What I can see is that, at least to him, they were both very important people. She is his sister, and she started dating his “best friend.” Nobody calls someone their best friend without having a very close relationship. That is why he feels he should have been the first person to know.

Anyway, if that is the truth, then my son learned this the hard way and sooner than he expected. I’m only saying this based on the same logic you are using.

She didn’t tell him because she was scared of him. She clearly said she was scared of him getting hurt and that their relationship might be damaged, and unfortunately, that is exactly what happened.

No, he is not abusive, physically or emotionally. I know my son better than you do. Keep your assumptions about him for your own situation.

Friends will support their friends, and I don’t think their support makes my son a bad person.

It has been months since he stopped talking to them, and honestly, he is doing okay. It is my daughter who got hurt and is crying now, and as a mother, that breaks my heart.

So why does your son think he has the right to say who his sister is “allowed” to date?

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 14:25

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Yesterday 14:23

Neither the daughter nor the best friend were honest.

I'd say the son is right to feel aggrieved that he has been lied to by two people that should never have lied to him.

That's the betrayal.

If they'd told him up front and he was kicking off then I'd say he was in the wrong.

In this situation sister and best-friend need to grovel and it may still not be fixable.

There are echoes of finding out about an affair that everyone else.knew about - making you seem like a fool as well as betrayed.

People should never have to grovel. They have a right to dignity.

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 14:26

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:24

So why does your son think he has the right to say who his sister is “allowed” to date?

SO MUCH THIS.
I am out of this thread now.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 14:27

IkeaJesusChrist · Yesterday 14:08

I'd be telling DD and BF that they created this mess and they can deal with the consequences.

Out of all the people in the world they decided to start fucking each other, without caring that the brother would essentially be losing his best mate a few years after losing his father.

It doesn't make the son controlling or gay for being angry that he has been made a fool of and was the last person to find out, neither of them had even the decency to tell him, instead they told their entire friendship group and crept around him.

Saying the brother is going to be “losing his best friend” is ridiculously overdramatising things.

Platlete · Yesterday 14:28

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 14:26

SO MUCH THIS.
I am out of this thread now.

I agree @OtterandaRock
this 19 year old man sounds quite disturbing

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 14:28

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 14:22

...silent treatment for months?
sister and best friend already walking on eggshells?
making their relationship all about him?
...
loss of father?

counselling or mentoring by someone independent is in order, not lecturing by OP.

19 is old enough to have been in the army for 3 years.

Edited

A month, not months. And there is no timescale, nor should there be. You seem very reluctant to accept that he is the injured party here. The two people closest to him have treated him with huge disrespect and at 19, just learning to navigate adult feelings, that is going to hurt.

Not everyone is cut out for the army so that’s totally irrelevant. At 19 medicalising what is essentially a life lesson with counselling is batshit, and why are you attributing his reaction to the loss of his father ? Sometimes things are exactly what they seem.

And that his sister and best friend are walking on eggshells around him is entirely on them. They behaved appallingly.

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:30

CaptianMunchen · Yesterday 14:01

There was a thread on here where the op was seeing her sister's ex-DH. She got a lot of flak for breaking the code. Interesting that the son is getting a bit of stick for being bothered by his sister seeing his best mate.

Very much depends on the person. I know lads that couldn't have cared less and lads that would have reacted similarly. Unfortunately, it could depend on how much shit his mates have given him about his sister shagging his mate and how he found out. Misogynistic but true.

Totally different scenario to the thread you’re referencing. Dating the EX (husband, no less) of a friend or family member is completely different to dating a friend or family member.

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 14:31

Platlete · Yesterday 14:28

I agree @OtterandaRock
this 19 year old man sounds quite disturbing

So at 19 he’s supposed to have a completely mature reaction and not be given any leeway at all for saying something he doesn’t mean. He needs to be left alone to process this and hopefully in time he’ll be ready to accept the apology he deserves.

chocoluv · Yesterday 14:31

Obviously your daughter (and the friend) is in the wrong.

I would speak to your daughter about her standards and the unwritten rules that come with having relationships.
There are certain lines you don’t cross.

I would validate your sons feelings and say that although you may not agree with DD, it is not your place to take sides.

Then just stay completely out of it.

I would not have the ‘friend’ around and tell DD if she’s adamant she’s going to keep seeing him then it will have to be at his house or somewhere else.

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:33

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 14:31

So at 19 he’s supposed to have a completely mature reaction and not be given any leeway at all for saying something he doesn’t mean. He needs to be left alone to process this and hopefully in time he’ll be ready to accept the apology he deserves.

Edited

At 19 he is not supposed to think he has a right to say who his sister can and cannot date (being upset about being the last to know is more understandable).

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 14:33

OtterandaRock · Yesterday 14:25

People should never have to grovel. They have a right to dignity.

So does he. Not much dignity in finding out from a mutual friend that your sister and best friend are in a relationship, and essentially being the last to know.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 14:33

chocoluv · Yesterday 14:31

Obviously your daughter (and the friend) is in the wrong.

I would speak to your daughter about her standards and the unwritten rules that come with having relationships.
There are certain lines you don’t cross.

I would validate your sons feelings and say that although you may not agree with DD, it is not your place to take sides.

Then just stay completely out of it.

I would not have the ‘friend’ around and tell DD if she’s adamant she’s going to keep seeing him then it will have to be at his house or somewhere else.

Good grief this is absolutely ridiculous.

ForeverPombear · Yesterday 14:33

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:33

At 19 he is not supposed to think he has a right to say who his sister can and cannot date (being upset about being the last to know is more understandable).

Maybe I missed it but how do we know that the OPs so is upset about them being together rather than not being told and everyone else knowing?

DameOfThrones · Yesterday 14:33

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 14:27

Saying the brother is going to be “losing his best friend” is ridiculously overdramatising things.

Exactly.

And he's making the immature choice to sulk and not speak to his best friend.

chocoluv · Yesterday 14:34

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 14:33

Good grief this is absolutely ridiculous.

Why exactly?

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 14:36

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:33

At 19 he is not supposed to think he has a right to say who his sister can and cannot date (being upset about being the last to know is more understandable).

Where has he said he has any right to say who she can and can’t date ? His problem is that she’s dating his best friend and both of them neglected to tell him, even though the rest of their mutual friends all knew about it. That he said something inappropriate on finding out is neither here nor there, and I think the only thing it signifies is how sidelined and blindsided he felt by the two people closest to him.

MrsShawnHatosy · Yesterday 14:37

chocoluv · Yesterday 14:34

Why exactly?

Well you told OP not to take sides, but then told her she should not welcome the bf in her house. Bit contradictory, yes? But the whole thing about not dating your sibling’s best friend is just ridiculous.

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · Yesterday 14:37

Katiesaidthat · Yesterday 11:31

Unless he fancies him himself I don´t get his reaction. He is putting plaster when there isn´t a would yet (what if they break-up). I believe your son will be a nightmare as a partner, all that sulking and stonewalling.

Ffs, the two, actually three, people he would most expect to be honest with him weren't.

That's a pretty hefty blow.

Its not like he can just go out and find 3 new people to be his bestie, mother and sister.

We hate lying cheating men on MN. I don't understand why this kid (who didn't precipitation any of this) is copping the flak and now you're tarring him as a future marital partner.

I cant imagine you'd be saying the same if all the sexes were reversed.

RockyFraggles · Yesterday 14:37

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:33

At 19 he is not supposed to think he has a right to say who his sister can and cannot date (being upset about being the last to know is more understandable).

He also has the right to decide he isn't comfortable with that and that he doesn't want his relationship with his sister or his best friend to continue in the same way as it did before.

pilarr · Yesterday 14:37

Imseriouslyyouguys · Yesterday 14:24

So why does your son think he has the right to say who his sister is “allowed” to date?

He never said that, so please don’t invent things that he never said.

That guy is his best friend, not some stranger. Suppose tomorrow my daughter and him break up he would be the one who has to choose how to handle that situation and where he stands.

No matter how much you try to reduce it, this situation is still connected to him, and his feelings matter too.

Would my daughter be okay or comfortable if, for example, her boyfriend cheated on her and then my son brought him to our Christmas dinner like nothing happened?

OP posts:
powershowerforanhour · Yesterday 14:38

Platlete · Yesterday 14:15

I feel so sorry for the 14 year old boy living in this melodrama

Yep. Lost his dad (I assume) at the tender age of 9 and is the only person who is still a child in this scenario none of which had anything to do with him - but he's living in the house with the consequences and, being a child, doesn't even have the option to get a job and leave if he wants to.

Platlete · Yesterday 14:38

pilarr · Yesterday 14:37

He never said that, so please don’t invent things that he never said.

That guy is his best friend, not some stranger. Suppose tomorrow my daughter and him break up he would be the one who has to choose how to handle that situation and where he stands.

No matter how much you try to reduce it, this situation is still connected to him, and his feelings matter too.

Would my daughter be okay or comfortable if, for example, her boyfriend cheated on her and then my son brought him to our Christmas dinner like nothing happened?

How is your 14 year old coping in all this shite at home?

Any family holidays booked for this summer @pilarr ?

Platlete · Yesterday 14:39

powershowerforanhour · Yesterday 14:38

Yep. Lost his dad (I assume) at the tender age of 9 and is the only person who is still a child in this scenario none of which had anything to do with him - but he's living in the house with the consequences and, being a child, doesn't even have the option to get a job and leave if he wants to.

I feel desperately for him