To not understand why Farage hasn’t been forced out yet?

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Let’s call a spade a spade…

when a person takes multiple ‘gifts’ from various shady sources they aren’t nice presents from one kind person to another. They. Are. Bribes.

Regardless of whether we agree with Nige on any of his policies, or that a woman is a woman or whatever else…

surely it’s clear the man is a crook?

Hard to be forced out when you own the limited company masquerading as a political party.

Misconduct in public office is a criminal offence?

or Parliamentary standards?

Why is everyone (other than the press) just standing around watching?

You seem to be unaware that he is currently under investigation by Parliament's standards commissioner over the £5 million? But that will only say whether he should or shouldn't have declared it when he became an MP. It won't lead to any criminal conviction or charges. It might, at worst, mean he is suspended from Parliament for so many days. Beyond a certain amount, it could force a by-election in Clacton but it doesn't mean he'll lose that.

If you have proof he's committed misconduct in public office, you should report it to the police. I take it you don't? How can anyone take action on a charge like that without proof?

I loathe the bloke and hope the current scrutiny may make him throw in the towel. He's shady as fuck and it's all about making money.

He can only be removed as leader of Reform if 50% of members write to the chairman. Then there's a vote of no confidence.

The problem is cult of personality politics.

His goons will fight for him whatever he has done.

One future is the standards commission ban him for 10 days, a by election is called and he wins it

Them he returns to the stage claiming the electorate don't care about him taking bribes (sorry gifts) .

It's all very depressing and satire is truly dead.

He’s under investigation by the parliamentary standards commissioner at the moment

I agree OP. I also agree with @LoftyPlumLion
We are about to get Burnham who is unelected & wants to cause chaos & expense moving Govt to Manchester. We have Badenoch who cosplays Thatcher. Polanski the ex hypnotist who wants to leave NATO & empty prisons. Davey has his moments but will never be PM. No wonder dangerous grifters like Farage get traction.

I am hoping that Burnham creates enough momentum to get another term though. While not perfect I think Kier just got attacked from all sides.

The big ticket items that need sorting are closing the increasing gap between rich and poor, and fixing the abject failure of privatisation of utilities.

I'm afraid whatever way we look at it some people need to pay more tax, and it's those people sitting on imobile pools of cash doing no good in the economy.

The press have been standing around for ages looking the other way. They should have been scrutinising him to the same extent that they scrutinised politicians from other parties.

Look at the coutts debacle. Everyone remembers that they refused him account because of the memo or his views. Nobody remembers the reason it actually being shut. Which was a mixture of him no longer meeting the criteria and him being in the public eye/politics with known dodgy links. That and the ICO apologising to Coutts/Nat West got slightly brushed over.

I want to know why they suddenly scrutinising him now though. They’ve never held him to account on anything before. Is someone in reform trying oust him?

@LoftyPlumLionagain, I agree (although I think AB is on an ego trip? - I hope to be proven wrong)

Because his party and the people who support him don’t care. They literally don’t give a shit. They look for the evidence that supports their world view and reject anything else. Some are incapable of critical thinking and for others it’s just wilful blindness.

@RafaistheKingofClayBJ's phrase: 'when the herd turns, it turns' comes to mind? I'm I'm Scotland & there is a huge scandal up here about missing Govt money / 'unfit for public office' grifters (but here the Courts are also controlled by the Govt)
It will be interesting to see if NF gets away with it.
Again.

I just hope the UK doesn't fall into the trap that the US did whereby political crooks are allowed to get away with it if they stamp their feet and go 'boohoo this is a politically motivated witch hunt!'

Farage is in waaaay too many people's pockets.

He's getting very rattled with all the scrutiny but most of his followers don't care about him taking money from whoever. They only see a bigger goal - even though most of them believe most of our politicians are corrupt and somehow Farage is not.

Anyone who thinks Farage actually WANTS to be prime minister anyway is delusional. He wouldn't want the scrutiny and he'd have to do some work. His whole political career is not turning up to things (hence his voting record in the EU parliament). He makes vast fortunes not being PM. He doesn't want to change that.

If they actually won a general election he'd be gone within six months, handing over to Tice or whoever is flavour of the month, to ensure their business chums and other paymasters get all their benefits while the normal working person is shafted further.

You also have to ask yourself why NOW? Why is it only now that the media are going great guns for Farage? There has been stuff swirling around for years and most mainstream media have ignored it or actually platformed him. You only have to look at the number of times he was on Question Time when he wasn't an MP; now they platform the unelected chairman and non-MP Zia Yusuf instead.

Why does it suit certain newspaper owners (such as Murdoch) and Sky (ditto) to turn on him?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch but it's very clear some media now believe Farage is damaged goods and no longer useful to them for their own ends.

Farage IS damaged goods though.

A ‘man of the people’ with numerous houses, being handed 5 million quid pocket money to spend how he likes, also receiving backhanders from international crooks - well yeah, his very political persona as the man in the pub with his pint and his fags who allegedly represents what the hard working people of this country really think and feel, yes his reputation is utterly, utterly damaged.

Even those who will defend him to the hilt know that. His party knows that. Everyone knows it.

If Reform want to carry on they will need to ditch him. Question is whether he will go quietly or have a Trumpish toddler tantrum and spit the party out of his pram along with his dummy.

There's still plenty of Reform supporters saying "don't care, you're just afraid of Nigel because he'll change things, you're just shit stirring". That leads in the polls has dropped, but not massively.

The one to watch in all this is Rupert Lowe. He got butthurt by Farage and launched Restore Britain out of spite. He's admitted as much. Interesting that his mate Ben Habib spilled his guys a few weeks back about Farage getting a "financial gift" by the same man that gave Boris Johnson a "financial gift". The timing is interesting and I wonder if Lowe has been having cosy chats with certain folk? He wants Reform to self destruct because he knows it's the only way his little - far more offensive party - is going to make any headway as many Reform voters will switch to the only other 'alternative' (some indeed have already switched).

Well kier Starmer and many other Labour MPs have a wife’s gifts - large ones. So I assume you want them forced out too ?

No more a "crook" than "Free Gear Kier"....

Yeah, those suits cost about £5 million didn't they, and shortly afterwards he decided to run for Parliament after all and had a meeting with the Bank of England about supporting clothing as a currency...

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https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-scandals-controversies-14-months-power-3920656

Yeah. Crazy that Keir did a lot of good for the less well off and got booted out because of Mandy but Farage with his millions of pounds of bribe money is sitting pretty so far.

Well Keir Starmer is about to stand down as Labour leader, so logic dictates Farage should stand down as leader of Reform 🤷‍♀️

if they are large enough and undeclared yes absolutely. You can't claim equvalence though to a clear bribe to farage with some toothbrushes

Official declarations showed that Starmer had accepted over £107,145 worth of gifts, benefits, and hospitality since the 2019 general election

Are you claiming this is on a par with Farage's undeclared millions?

Financially no, but the principle is the same.