To think that NT children miss out in school inclusion policies.

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To think that inclusion policies in primary schools are almost never geared to helping academic, NT children get the best out of their education? They’re almost always designed to help the underdog - not denying this is necessary - but those at the top end of the spectrum don’t get the chance to shine as bright as they might otherwise do.

This just another SEN bashing thread in another guise, to persuade the population money is wasted on SEN children to soften the people up, for the removal of accountability and children’s legal rights to an education in the government’s recent proposals.

Completely agree

’inclusion’ I think is very difficult. I have NT and ND children and our ‘inclusive’ school has a system in which I think all the children can survive the school experience but not thrive. My very academic NT child spent years babysitting and teaching a child she was forced to sit next to as a behaviour management tool. My ND child is bored, masking all day and doesn’t get any teaching tailored to her.

i think we need to accept a horses for courses approach of different schools will suit different children and stop trying to force school to meet all needs all the time.

Private tutoring is the only thing you can do to help them

Torally agree with this.
I am basically fire fighting at all times and those that can get none of me. I feel terrible about this.

The whole world is designed for nt people.

It certainly is.

Ableism is widely tolerated on MN. Along with ageism.

How do you confirm this exactly? Children have to show they’ve made progress from key stages so those that achieve high in KS1 have to in KS2 ie teachers can’t just put their feet up with the high achievers. Also the standards for expected and greater depth are pretty high

Spot on!!!

This thread is ableist and offensive to parents of children with SEND in the 93% of parents who can’t afford to, or don’t want to pay for private education.

My daughter is academically very very able. She got a scaled score of 120 in both her reading and maths SATs, plus GD in writing. She is impeccably behaved.
She also has ASD and requires support.

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Maybe,

but those nt people who use wheelchairs often find many places not wheelchair accessible

those nt people who are hearing impaired or have no hearing at all find very few people know BSL and very few organisations meet their needs

etc etc.

And your point is?

Walk in the shoes of a parent of an autistic child op and know the unbelievable agony of seeing your child treated like a piece of rubbish to be be away by the system.

My bright kind and lovely autistic 12 year old has been out of school for months because her mainstream secondary were unwilling to give her the support she needed. I jave to watch her every day missing out.

She finds school a terrifying place without support.

You are ignorant and over privileged if you cant see the immense injustice faced by sen children trying jusy to keep their heads above water in a mainstream system

I think I get where you’re coming from, OP. Maybe the results of DEI being pushed and pushed to extremes, as we’re seeing in other public services nowadays.

The thing is, currently no one is benefiting- no one.
And it’s going to get worse.

Don’t be ridiculous!

I think a lot of this could be solved with smaller class sizes and some extra TAs. Oh a bigger schools to allow for quieter/less densely occupied spaces.

but instead the government are closing small schools and forcing more and more kids into classrooms.

i know the teachers at our school can’t cope, they are quite honest about it. But they get no help, no support, no TAs

They couldn’t stay in a state school due to being a target of repeated assaults (yes the kids were charged with assault and no that made no difference whatsoever. My child was beaten up date after day). They now attend private. The difference in learning is truly staggering. All it takes is removing the violent and disruptive children and guess what? The teacher can teach in peace and the children can learn in peace.

We’re not private school fans. We were backed into a corner. But it’s an incredible education and worth every penny, simply because state schools cannot educate children properly due to the disruptions from kids who shouldn’t be there. Every child should be able to learn in peace and safety but they can’t

How can they ‘access the curriculum’ when the teacher spends the whole time trying to prevent the kids that lash out from throwing chairs and throttling classmates? What do you suggest the teacher does? Keep teaching and ignore it?

Parents can do a lot but a bright, engaging, interested child who is bored in school can be completely switched off, start misbehaving, refusing to go to school etc. I've got one!!

What sort of school environment do you want for your child?

What about the right kids who are not pushed to achieve? Same 93% of parents who can't do private school..

If being bright means being ignored then many of the kids will get disillusioned and be bored hence thinking of mischief to do

Of course SEN kids deserve an education, but not in a classroom with other children if they are going to disrupt. Surely that’s obvious?

Sadly most schools do not have sufficient facilities to allow full access for most physically disabled children. I have only seen one primary school which had a lift ( out of about 10-15 that I have worked in as a supply or more permanently).There are no children in my school ( approx 400 pupils) with epilepsy, Downs, or in a wheelchair. I have seen one blind child in a mainstream school. It's hard enough to accommodate a child with a broken arm or leg - if they can't go out at playtime/lunchtime, who is going to look after them? You can't leave them by themselves in a classroom. There are not enough staff to manage conditions like diabetes properly - I remember a horrible scenario where the class teacher ( NQT) was trying to deal with a newly diagnosed child whose condition required frequent monitoring, then analysis and sometimes action. The child was getting very upset, the teacher was trying to do the necessary ( testing, adjusting insulin etc) in private ( the cloakroom outside the classroom so not very private at all) while the rest of the class ran amok. There should have been 2 adults in that room all the time, but there weren't enough staff to cover that.
Schools need proper funding so they can staff to levels where all children are safe and making progress. I am still kept awake at night by thoughts of the children who we could not help enough, of the ones who left primary school functionally illiterate, whose maths wasn't good enough for them to be able to work out change or read a timetable or budget for their shopping. How are they going to function in secondary school, or in life? We are creating an underclass, the prison population of the future if we don't take steps to address gaps/huge holes in learning at an early stage. Investment now would save massive sums in the future.