To think that NT children miss out in school inclusion policies.

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To think that inclusion policies in primary schools are almost never geared to helping academic, NT children get the best out of their education? They’re almost always designed to help the underdog - not denying this is necessary - but those at the top end of the spectrum don’t get the chance to shine as bright as they might otherwise do.

Did anyone say they were?

One kid… no
several kids… different year groups…. Different PowerPoints…. Different colours…. It becomes an organisational nightmare which is certainly more than 2 mins work

It was a direct quote from @Thechaseison71 hence my use of quotation marks, and the thread is about NT children “missing out on school inclusion” so I’ve inferred that they did.

You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. You’re photocopying 30 sheets anyway. You need 3 of those in different colours. You simply put 3 coloured sheets in the paper drawer when you do the other 27. Not hard!

Says someone who doesn’t teach! I’m not photocopying anything anyway!! I don’t print PowerPoints for the other kids. The printer is not physically located next to a computer.

What I’m saying is that lots of these tasks that people think are very small are actually not, especially when there are lots of them, for lots of different children. The things that we need to do are starting to become unmanageable and I feel like children and parents are being promised the earth but the reality is that teachers cannot manage the extra workload- we are only human

The glasses analogy was in response to the op's idea that all children should have this tailored education if Sen children do, I was just pointing out that it's disability provision not the equivalent of a private tutor.

I know it's extra effort for teachers to provide and there might not be enough time/money/resources, I'm not doubting that. But it doesn't change the fact my child was born neuro-diverse and certain things could really help him get through school. If teachers didn't make the accommodations he would simply be left to suffer in silence and not affect anyone else I assure you.

I do teach. You’d provide materials for a partially sighted child without resentment. It’s always ND children that get the flack on MN and it’s not ok.

It is when the photocopier doubles as a printer and someone in another department has sent a load of worksheets to print which come out in several colours.

Well being in the classroom is just disruptive to everyone else. Why should 29 kids suffer due to one

They can start in the classroom but if disruptive then taken out

Do you not remember disruptive kids being sent out of class in school?

I can only speak for a single village state primary school - but DS1 has multiple complex disabilities and DS2 is neurotypical and quite high achieving, and the school failed to meet either of their needs.

I said Disruptive kids. Many many ND kids arent. From the ( very few) ND people I know they thrived on calm and set rules. Obviously kids like that are also suffering from disruption.

Disruptive kids should not be allowed to disturb everyone else ND or no ND

Some of my most gifted students are ND. Everyone has the to shine. They are entitled to reasonable accommodations and guidance. NT students as well. It isn’t either/ or.

The SEN kids won't learn either if they are stuck at home with no school as many are.

Are you happy to pay more benefits because the mother has to quit her job to look after the SEN kids with no school?

This is a genuine suggestion and I'm not trying to shit stir.

If you use the same materials reach year, maybe print out 20 copies in each colour and file them in a folder with the teaching materials. Next year you can just pull out copies in the relevant colours.

The local authorities have a legal duty to provide a suitable school. I’d like them held to account more.

So apply for a scholarship in a private school

Fat chance of that.

Maybe there should be streaming by learning needs rather than test scores, so you’d still get a quiet academic high scoring set but also a set who need movement and manipulatives, a set who have lots of short variable task bases to move between during the lesson, etc.

They have a legal duty to provide an education not a school. They insisted my son could be taught at home by carers with no teaching qualifications or experience (and a parent also had to be present) and it took a year and court action to sort that one out. Still no school though.

The local authorities have a legal duty to provide a suitable school.

What LAs regard as suitable isn’t necessarily in any way remotely suitable. Our LA wanted our son to attend a gigantic mainstream school where he’d need two full-time LSAs and to arrive at each lesson 5 minutes late, leave 5 mins early, and learn through the window in the classroom door standing in the corridor. Genuinely this was their idea of suitable.

I can well imagine that’s the case. Here in Scotland there has been a recent case where a girl hit back a bunch of boys who had been bullying them for months with the school doing nothing about it. The girl’s mum got lawyers involved and the school backed down on the suspension. I think this is the way forward. People taking legal action against LAs for providing inadequate education and also ignoring their duty to safeguard children.

Surely it’s cheaper in the long run for a LA to set up a special school and a PRU for violent and disruptive children rather than hire endless assistants to try to ensure children who cannot cope in mainstream don’t lash out in the classroom? I think once more parents start suing the LA for not just providing a specialist school but also for endangering their children in the classroom things will start changing. They must change at some point otherwise kids and teachers being severely injured is going to become commonplace.

My DS is neither violent nor disruptive and has never lashed out at anyone (apart from his brother 🙄). He was however once assaulted in mainstream primary when his one full-time 1:1 LSA was deployed elsewhere. There can be many reasons why young people need multiple adults supporting them and why they require a special school. Fortunately our LA saw sense when we started the tribunal process.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking here. Are you upset that kids with SEN are in mainstream schools at all and think they should all be in specialist provision? Are you upset they get a TA and extra support because they’re not NT and require it? What is it you’re annoyed about exactly?

Agree with this. My DS is almost 6 and he’s in the top reading group, passed phonics screening with flying colours and is fantastic at maths. He has SEN, he won’t always reliably sit still in the classroom and disengages if he isn’t interested so needs a TA. He also doesn’t reliably communicate with language though this is improving through speech therapy.

He belongs in mainstream just as much as my NT children because he’s both highly academic and he’s also a lovely boy. He doesn’t lash out or have meltdowns, he’s been toilet trained since 2. He’s great and fuck anyone who thinks he shouldn’t be included.