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Trans widow and feel so much pain for her

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Hotandbithered · Yesterday 16:10

I know this is not actually my grief but DH has a good friend who we have known throughout our marriage, let’s call him Steve.

Steve was married to Jess and had two children.

We spent a lot of time with them over the years. Camping trips, dinners, bbqs, birthdays. Steve was your classic sort of male really. He was quite attractive, funny, polite, well educated and both he and Jess very successful, had a beautiful home.

Anyway getting to the point. Almost out of the blue (to us at least), a few years ago Steve began transitioning. He is not short of money and has had facial surgery multiple times, paid for himself. He is extremely supportive of the trans community and recognises he is lucky he can access this sort of treatment.

Jess stayed with him through this, went to the appointments, talked to their kids about what this meant (primary age) and tried to stick in the marriage. It’s now broken down and they are doing their best to be great co parents to their children.

Jess’ grief is immeasurable. This couple always seemed so in love, so respectful of one another. She says she feels like her husband has died yet she has to experience this new person in his place, like he’s been stolen from her. I too have felt this obviously to a much lesser degree, but its truly life changing to even be affected by it even a little bit.

I should add that I have no strong views on what or who people choose to be but I suppose I am shocked that a person can live a lie for so long and especially put their children through it? DH has tried to be supportive but I think struggles more with Steve’s new interests more than anything, as in they don’t have much to talk about anymore as Steve is consumed by this (I suppose understandably) and his focus on what makes him a woman rather than anything else.

I don’t know what I am asking really. Just feel grief for Jess and for DH and wonder if others have been through similar how they navigated it.

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Igneococcus · Today 06:46

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Poor Martin Niemöller, murdered by Nazis only for his words to be used by every dimwit too stupid to argue their case in their own words to shut other people down.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 06:58

Eyesopenwideawake · Yesterday 17:05

Would you prefer that he'd left her for a long term AP? Every marriage breakup is difficult. I'm not sure why this situation is any different.

It's different because he is expecting his children to see him as a mother. Their whole childhood has been changed and redefined. That's why 'trans' is not a victimless action.

montysmaw · Today 06:58

Izzyink · Yesterday 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

She sort of is.
She married a man.
The man apparently no longer exists as they are a "woman".

If your male husband no longer exists, you are to all practical intents , a widow.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:01

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WRONG! As per biology and the Supreme Court ruling transwomen are MALE with PENIS AND TESTICLES. They are men, male, in every single way. This, sure as shit aint a woman:

Trans widow and feel so much pain for her
callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:02

OP, the vast majority of it is a midlife crisis. For many (not all, of course) it is a sexual fetish. Google 'AGP' and you will understand more.

I would not indulge him, in fact, I would be so disgusted at what he is doing to his wife but children especially, that I could not associate with him again. I'd cut him out of my life. Don't feed it or encourage it. I would just stop being friends with him.

montysmaw · Today 07:05

@Thatannoyingone Black women are scientifically and biologically women in every cell of their body.
Anyone claiming that only white white women were biologically and scientifically female were demonstably wrong and and were if course bigots.

Transmen are scientifically and biologically male in every cell of their body. Anyone stating that "transwomen" are men are expressing scientific and biological reality , not bigotry.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:07

@Thatannoyingone Intersex (now called people with DSDs - Differences in Sexual Development) are not a third sex or in between sex. They are still either male or female. Every DSD is sex specific and confirms the sex binary. Intersex/DSDs are not trans. Further, these people have repeatedly requested that they stop being weaponised in this discussion. Please respect their wishes.

Trans widow and feel so much pain for her
HesterLeggatt · Today 07:10

Naunet · Yesterday 17:07

But 'dead name' is ok?

Well, it applies to a name, not a person. In the same way that it would be different saying “my phone battery is dead” as opposed to “my mum is dead”.

montysmaw · Today 07:10

aliceyyyy2654 · Yesterday 19:47

I appreciate your view but not every transwoman dresses in drag. I have two trans friends (mtf) and you wouldn’t know if you saw them out in public that they were biological males.

I could. In the blink of an eye.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:12

Hotandbithered · Yesterday 17:08

@AnneLovesGilbert they call her mummy (new name)

Has he requested they call him that?

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:16

StrangeGree · Yesterday 17:16

You don’t know if I’m traumatised. Yet you’re policing me.

No one is policing you. You are attempting to police how women refer to themselves.

Funny how males can refer to themselves however they want, but when women choose how they identify they are policed immediately. Like as if this isn't all about straight up misogyny.

SoBoredOfSelfDoubtHowToGetOut · Today 07:16

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:02

OP, the vast majority of it is a midlife crisis. For many (not all, of course) it is a sexual fetish. Google 'AGP' and you will understand more.

I would not indulge him, in fact, I would be so disgusted at what he is doing to his wife but children especially, that I could not associate with him again. I'd cut him out of my life. Don't feed it or encourage it. I would just stop being friends with him.

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This.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:29

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Dadalus · Today 07:38

Pretty sure "golf widows" don't get this level of pushback against their choice of terminology.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:39

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Boomer55 · Today 07:40

Izzyink · Yesterday 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

This. There’s absolutely no comparison.

orangegato · Today 07:42

Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 17:14

Turns out Steve was a cunt all along. Getting his kids calling him Mummy Twanky is surely abuse. I would support Jess and forget the man who lies to everyone including himself.

This made me almost spit my brew out, thank you!

callmeLoretta1 · Today 07:45

Peachesx2606 · Yesterday 17:46

But dead name is about the old name and identity being 'dead' not that the person is dead.

'Dead' is 'dead'. It still means the same thing. It's in extremely poor taste, and disrespectful to their mother who lovingly chose their name, only for their son to turn around and claim that name and part of them is 'dead'. It's distasteful.

orangegato · Today 07:45

Also wish people would stop nitpicking on how things are named these days. No one is saying that she was physically ‘widowed’.

It completely misses the point. It’s like whinging at someone calling a bad interview a ‘car crash’ by saying it’s not comparable to a real car crash. Yes we know! It’s words! Get a life.

BloodyRoses · Today 07:45

Why have so many men fallen down this rabbit hole. The poor wife and DC. They have lost their df and she lost her dh.

I'm not sure why we're not doing more to support this mental illness. These men have lost track of reality and we're being told to affirm their delusions.

Soontobesleeping · Today 07:47

*Nax Germany the first people that were targeted weren't Jews they were Trans people, they burnd the all the progressive research books and took the trans people to the camps.

Many senior Nazis would cross dress - ‘trans’ in modern parlance. They had no problem with this. The German courts have also found NO support for your statement. The books they burned and the ‘trans people’ they persecuted were persecuted because they were Jewish.

orangegato · Today 07:47

BloodyRoses · Today 07:45

Why have so many men fallen down this rabbit hole. The poor wife and DC. They have lost their df and she lost her dh.

I'm not sure why we're not doing more to support this mental illness. These men have lost track of reality and we're being told to affirm their delusions.

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Imagine the hissy fits if you dared imply that they had a mental illness. Trans identifying males are not known for listening to other points of view, particularly from actual women.

Like massive toddlers.

TheKeatingFive · Today 07:50

Just on the intersex point. Firstly the preferred term is DSD. Everyone with a DSD is one sex or the other.

Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with identifying as trans. There is no over representation of those with DSDs among those identifying as trans that I am aware of.

The only reason DSDs are introduced to these conversations is to muddy the waters and get people to doubt their perfectly sound instincts.

In this case for example. It would seem Steve is completely, unambiguously male.

ThePM · Today 07:53

Eyesopenwideawake · Yesterday 17:05

Would you prefer that he'd left her for a long term AP? Every marriage breakup is difficult. I'm not sure why this situation is any different.

Because he expects her to be BFF with her. A long term affair would lead to no expectations of being friendly and getting support and validation from the ex-wife.

This case demands continuation of some massive whoppers and Jess being complicit with them.