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AIBU to feel like my ILs use my DHs niece to pressure me?

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IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:29

This is about my ILs. Don't know AIBU is the right place to post this question - if it is wrong please let me know... maybe it can be moved? From what I have read AIBU gets a lot of traffic and many different topics are allowed?

Summary: I feel like my ILs use my DH's niece as a way to manipulate me into doing things they want and I want to know if you think this is normal/I'm being unreasonable to resist.

Long version:
There is a lot of friction between me and my in-laws. In particular my SIL and with MIL. I will try to give you as much information as I can in this OP so I'm sorry for the length of this post!

Me and my DH got married in April this year and have been together for 17 years. We met during freshers in our first year of uni. At the time, and probably right up until the wedding, my MIL was convinced our relationship wouldn't last. She didn't say this outright but there were many tells - I haven't included them in this post because it's a bit besides the point.

In our first year of uni when we started dating my SIL was going through a nasty breakup with her fiancee and maybe that influenced MILs attitude to me (this is what DH thinks) I don't know what to make of that personally... What I do know is that since day 1 MIL has treated me in basically a belittling way. Pity almost. But this is through a mask of friendliness... if friendliness had thorns... anyway, I should mention that I am not from the UK and that is visible from the outside, if I put it that way. In the 80s MIL might have described me as "exotic". Sometimes MIL makes up facts about my background when she talks about me to her friends. Again, I don't know if this influences it at all. I would never describe MIL as racist but I think her world view has a bit of "colonial superiority/pride" to it, if that makes sense. She often comments on people's ethnic background and will interrogate waiters and shopkeepers about where they are from and then tell them about when she visited their country or if she hasn't she will tell them she has visited a country nearby, that sort of thing. It's often visible that it makes them uncomfortable...

Although SIL had a lot of problems growing up she comes across as the favourite child. I don't know if thats linked or a common thing. Some of the issues in her life continued and in the end she conceived through sperm donation since she was running out of time/options. Since there is no dad, their family often need to coordinate supportive childcare, and sometimes ask us for help. When DH and I sold our last house, MIL tried to convince us to buy a house near SIL so that I could provide childcare for her daughter. I had been let go from my job due to restructuring (and was quite depressed) and MIL thought it meant I had a lot of free time on my hands. MIL never really asked me if this is something I wanted to do, instead she took for granted that I was a resource she/they could use. In the end this didn't happen but I'm adding this for context.

At the wedding SIL was very cold to me and I can't actually remember her speaking to me except twice. Once to ask repeatedly about dinner and dinner times because "she was hungry" (even though I had provided them with this information beforehand) and another time to say something which was upsetting (would rather not go into it). She was told off by someone overhearing.

During the dinner she didn't come up to us to congratulate us, even though many other people did. I'm glad she didn't because I didn't want to chat to her either, but it's worth mentioning that she didn't make the effort. At the same time, I don't know whether it is common to do that in the UK (it is not where I am from) so I don't want to be unfair to her about this. MIL did come up to us during the meal and so did some of our friends, so I was getting mixed signals in terms of what was to be expected from guests/family during the meal.

SIL seemed quite grumpy throughout. I started getting a sense that she was sending over her daughter to ask questions about the food in a very impatient way and very loudly, constantly, and mid-meal. Questions like: When is the food coming? What food will I get next? What is the dessert? When will I get the dessert? Why isn't the dessert here? Her daughter would run between our table and theirs, back and forth, with SIL watching, so it is hard to imagine any other scenario than that the poor girl was being told "go ask them when the dessert will be here" "ask them if it is ice cream" instead of being told to for example be patient or for the adults to explain to the girl what food was coming up next. The girl also came up holding part of her food in her hand and gave it to us. Lots of saliva on it. SIL was watching this unfold. I'm guessing this was the food she didn't like and didn't want to eat. So instead of SIL eating or disposing of it, she told her go give it to us (me and DH).

This meant that I was faced with a choice of either eating her food or be rude by not accepting this "gift" from a child.

Later when all the dancing was happening, I was chatting to friends outside the dance floor. Their family were dancing inside and it felt like they were sending her over to us to scream at me, loudly: "COME DANCE WITH THE FAMILY!!!". This happened about 4 times in a row, each time the same sentence. Again, this felt like one or more adults using a child to deliver a message and I felt very uncomfortable with it. I had to say no to her each time because the whole thing seemed engineered by an adult and honestly I was having a nice conversation and wanted to continue having it.

I also thought it was a very strange thing for a 3-4 year old to say. Not the dancing part but the "with the family" part. In my experience, children of that age are more interested in "come dance with ME" or "come play with ME" but I'm not an expert... we've got a dog and ages in dog years and doesn't speak English, so what do I know?!

I thought MUMSnet would be able to help me work out whether this is expected behaviour from a child this age or if I am right to suspect they used the child to send messages. I obviously feel quite bad because the outcome has been that this poor girl has been told no over and over again and I don't want to upset her. But I also don't want to be manipulated by the grown ups.

Am I being too harsh/unreasonable?

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Gardenisablooming · 30/06/2026 15:35

I once told my 7yo sil off and the relationship with my ils never recovered.
Imo you give sil way too much head space..
At a guess I'd say she is envious you have dc +dh when her route to dc wasn't that easy.
Be too busy and stay away.

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 15:39

Honestly, I'd just stop warring with my husband's family. It isn't going to lead anywhere productive. Just drop it and move on.

I'm personally sick to death over women warring over men. Women fighting over men obviously, but alsobMums at war with daughter in laws, DILs hating their SILs, and it is ALWAYS the women competing for a man's affection and attention.

Nofeckingway · 30/06/2026 15:42

Tell your DH to deal with his people . You just ignore all the barbs ,etc. If they want childcare and you are OK to do it once in awhile , then fine . Otherwise you are busy .

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:42

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 15:39

Honestly, I'd just stop warring with my husband's family. It isn't going to lead anywhere productive. Just drop it and move on.

I'm personally sick to death over women warring over men. Women fighting over men obviously, but alsobMums at war with daughter in laws, DILs hating their SILs, and it is ALWAYS the women competing for a man's affection and attention.

Could you explain what it is that makes you feel I'm warring with them? You started off talking about me but then generalised quite a lot so it's not clear whether you're expressing a general sentiment or a specific one to this situation?

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IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:44

I should clarify that I'm specifically trying to understand how common it is for a 3-4 year olds to behave as described, in particular about the "come dance with the family!!" part?

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NoelEdmondsHairGel · 30/06/2026 15:51

Why on earth are you giving this any headspace? A very small child wanted you to dance with DH’s family. She may or may not have been egged on by her mother.

So what?

NoelEdmondsHairGel · 30/06/2026 15:52

And yes, that may be the sort of thing a 3 or 4 year old might say. But again, so what?

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:56

NoelEdmondsHairGel · 30/06/2026 15:51

Why on earth are you giving this any headspace? A very small child wanted you to dance with DH’s family. She may or may not have been egged on by her mother.

So what?

I'm giving it headspace because I feel bad for saying no.

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Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 15:56

"There is a lot of friction between me and my in-laws."

"She didn't say this outright but there were many tells"

"But this is through a mask of friendliness"

"she comes across as the favourite child"

"In the end this didn't happen but I'm adding this for context."

"During the dinner she didn't come up to us to congratulate us"

"I started getting a sense that she was sending over her daughter to ask questions about the food"

"Again, this felt like one or more adults using a child to deliver a message"

I think you are as equally paranoid about their motivations as they are about yours, all because you are all fighting for the affections of a man, your husband. It all seems like speculation and seeing the worst in each other. And you're still focusing on this 2 months after your wedding. There should have been so many moments that overshadowed this that it faded into the distance.

Just my opinion.

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:57

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 15:56

"There is a lot of friction between me and my in-laws."

"She didn't say this outright but there were many tells"

"But this is through a mask of friendliness"

"she comes across as the favourite child"

"In the end this didn't happen but I'm adding this for context."

"During the dinner she didn't come up to us to congratulate us"

"I started getting a sense that she was sending over her daughter to ask questions about the food"

"Again, this felt like one or more adults using a child to deliver a message"

I think you are as equally paranoid about their motivations as they are about yours, all because you are all fighting for the affections of a man, your husband. It all seems like speculation and seeing the worst in each other. And you're still focusing on this 2 months after your wedding. There should have been so many moments that overshadowed this that it faded into the distance.

Just my opinion.

Lots of moments overshadowed it, I haven't shared those because I don't need advice about them. But I appreciate your thoughts about this, they have been helpful!

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TakeThatAndParty81 · 30/06/2026 15:58

think your feelings are understandable given the history you’ve described, but I also think you’re reading quite a lot into the wedding incidents. Three- and four-year-olds really do ask constantly about food, offer half-eaten food, and get encouraged by adults to invite people onto the dance floor. I wouldn’t conclude from those incidents alone that your niece is being weaponised. The stronger issue seems to be that your MIL and SIL don’t respect your boundaries in general. Focus on setting those boundaries with the adults, and try not to let your niece become caught in the middle

hydriotaphia · 30/06/2026 16:01

I don't understand why this is about the young child tbh. You have more than enough to go on that your MIL/SIL don't like you. I kind of doubt they sent over a three year old to give you a gift of saliva covered food but who knows! I would try to be nice to the poor little girl, as none of this is her fault, but obviously limit contact with your horrid MIL and SIL.

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 16:02

Oh and please don't have social events where the guests are expected to starve for prolonged periods. Ive left a wedding with my family and gone and got mcdonalds before because there was absolute hours between breakfast befofe the ceremony and even any appetisers.

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 16:04

hydriotaphia · 30/06/2026 16:01

I don't understand why this is about the young child tbh. You have more than enough to go on that your MIL/SIL don't like you. I kind of doubt they sent over a three year old to give you a gift of saliva covered food but who knows! I would try to be nice to the poor little girl, as none of this is her fault, but obviously limit contact with your horrid MIL and SIL.

Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it!

It is because I am worried I should not have said no/should have eaten the food she gave me and also that she is being caught in the middle of relationships with friction. So it's not about her in a way like she's a problem, she is a lovely child.

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IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 16:05

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 16:02

Oh and please don't have social events where the guests are expected to starve for prolonged periods. Ive left a wedding with my family and gone and got mcdonalds before because there was absolute hours between breakfast befofe the ceremony and even any appetisers.

Food was served every 3 hours.

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Happytaytos · 30/06/2026 16:08

Why have you not given the food information to the guests before the wedding? That's the odd part. With a 3yo they'd need to know what the food is, when it is and if she'll eat it.

Larrythecatforpm · 30/06/2026 16:08

Normal behaviour from a kid that age, just drop the grudge op it’s not warranted against a little kid who was just excited!

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 16:10

Happytaytos · 30/06/2026 16:08

Why have you not given the food information to the guests before the wedding? That's the odd part. With a 3yo they'd need to know what the food is, when it is and if she'll eat it.

I had given this information to them. When I reminded them all the info is available in what I had sent them they would instead - i don't want to sound paranoid but - mockingly (as I perceived it anyway) say "when is the food... oh yeah it's all online 🙄 "

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CruCru · 30/06/2026 16:11

It may be a bit off topic but I am often surprised when people let their children make a nuisance of themselves to the bride and groom at weddings. It’s great if they go up and talk to them but there comes a point when it becomes disruptive.

I was at one wedding where the chief bridesmaid’s daughter kept asking the bride to carry her.

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 16:12

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 16:05

Food was served every 3 hours.

To me, hour for the ceremony and then there should be food on tap and accessible to all.

ruolocretaw · 30/06/2026 16:13

Here's my opinion: Stop worrying about being unkind to the child. Let's say that it was entirely your niece's idea to ask you to dance. You were having a discussion with friends and didn't want to end it. That's okay. Unless you snapped something sharp or sarcastic at the child, there's no problem. Saying 'no' is perfectly fine. If SIL or MIL were encouraging her to ask, same thing. It's okay to say 'no'. It was also fine to refuse the 'gift' of food she brought you. No-one would want to eat that, and children can be kindly and politely told 'no' without any drama. Anyone offended by that is just looking for reasons to be offended, and you can't control that.

You likely have a long future ahead of you which will involve dealing with MIL and SIL. I'd try to learn some strategies to let their annoying behaviours roll off you, as much as possible. If you feel that you're being nice and reasonable, that's what matters.

Sunburntprune · 30/06/2026 16:13

It’s not normal but some adults do use children to cause friction - but it’s not right and not nice for the DC either .

I do have personal experience of this though too outing to give full details - basic gist is that it involved a child repeatedly phoning someone in labour

Whowhenwhat · 30/06/2026 16:17

The girl also came up holding part of her food in her hand and gave it to us. Lots of saliva on it. SIL was watching this unfold. I'm guessing this was the food she didn't like and didn't want to eat. So instead of SIL eating or disposing of it, she told her go give it to us (me and DH).
This meant that I was faced with a choice of either eating her food or be rude by not accepting this "gift" from a child.

Did you end up eating this? If so why on earth are you worried about seeming rude, you could have refused to take it, or gotten your husband to deal with it, or left it on the side?

another time to say something which was upsetting (would rather not go into it). She was told off by someone overhearing.

This is probably the only concrete thing she did to upset you however you've refused to go into.

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 16:17

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 16:12

To me, hour for the ceremony and then there should be food on tap and accessible to all.

I think that is a bit unreasonable and not something I've ever seen at a wedding where I was a guest.

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Skybluepinky · 30/06/2026 16:18

Don’t get involved in family arguments.