AIBU to feel helpless about a large asylum camp in our village?

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My village has been chosen for a 1500 open asylum camp for single men. It will be an open camp (as the men haven't done anything wrong so aren't detained.)

The thing is the village only has 700 people and it is pretty isolated. it's about 10 miles to the nearest city and you can walk to another small village. There is a playpark, a pub and a primary school.

It has to go through planning, but the government have changed the planning laws so that they grant themselves planning and you can't see it as it is deemed sensitive. So they will just grant themselves planning and you can't oppose it without a judicial review--by which time it will probably be already open.

They want to reduce the number of people in hotels. But am AIBU to think that this puts the burden of sorting these issues out on one tiny community? Feels like we are collateral damage to be honest. The community will be outnumbered 2 to 1 and it feels too much. There is nothing for them to do or places to go. Also the fact that it is all single men put in one massive place with no money or means or anything to do is going to lead to problems

Apparently the camps cost £10 less a night than the hotels. But they don't count the set up costs which are astronomical (the one in Essex was £47 million to set up). So it seems like it's not not even cheaper than the problem it is trying to solve but much more expensive.

AIBU to feel a bit helpless? It seems so unfair but there is nothing I can do. We wouldn't be able to move from the village anyway as no one would buy a house here.

Have you seen the conditions afghani women are living under right now?

Seriously? Don't tell me you give a shit about women if you can't see why it's important that Afghan women have a means to get out.

Lmao under reform its highly likely people will be working to 80 anyway.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15657501/Iraqi-asylum-seeker-set-fire-two-taxpayer-funded-migrant-hotels-staying-court-hears.html

If they're lying through their teeth to come and live off my tax, then yes. We have enough fraudsters of our own. You're just wasting my time anyway. Had enough of that rubbish in other sections here.

Nobody wants mass immigration. Nobody can possibly defend it and anyone who does is either insane or getting paid.

Off to bed now.

Ok, so does that apply to Sikhs, Jews and Hindus too and their religious legal systems in the UK? Or just Muslims?

47% of all migrants to the UK are Christian. For example most people coming from Eritrea are Christian.

28% accounts for Muslim specifically.

The population percentage of asylum seekers is also a tiny proportion of all migrants.

Feel free to use your own thumbs next time. You're really going to enjoy Google.

Me too. Nite 😴

Noone is advocating for 'mass immigration' Jesus.

Yes yes Nomas you keep trying to derail by posting about white men from this country, practically a different one in each comment.
What are you not getting, it’s not working.Try as you might it won’t shut down the problem of immigration of men from dangerous misogynistic countries, and it won’t shut down those posters who are concerned about the problem.

Yes, I wonder if that poor girl who was raped and humiliated in Brighton would agree with PP.

Back in 2006, Labour's then Home Secretary was challenged as to why his department had 250,000 outstanding asylum applications. He replied, 'Oh, no, it's not as many as that' - he went away to check, but then had to return to the Commons to apologise as he discovered there were in fact up to 450,000 outstanding claims, mostly refused but in bureaucratic limbo. The 450,000 cases were 'set aside' to be dealt with by a special task force, but not counted in the current stats and still not cleared by 2010. Caseworkers were permitted to consider granting permission to stay to applicants who had been in the UK for 6 to 8 years, rather than the 10 to 12 years that originally applied. Tens of thousands of asylum seekers had also 'gone missing' in the meantime. Strangely, we were EU members at the time.

You do realise local people have been burning asylum seekers out of their homes in NI recently? Where can we send them?

You also realise hotels are totally inadequate accommodation so people often end up cooking where they shouldn't/ having stoves where they shouldn't. Plus the home office process is now (thank you brexit) so unfit for purpose that it's massively negatively affecting the mental wellbeing of already vulnerable and traumatised people using it.

Do you want me to send you links of all the awful things local men have done and then we can say all men should be locked up or sentenced to death? Because for some people deporting to countries of origin would be a death sentence.

Well either Wiki got it wrong or you’re quoting selectively. See my post of 23.19 for the actual facts.

That’s EXACTLY what you are saying with every comment about well “here is the crime this white man committed” or why say it, as the cases you are quoting are irrelevant to the OP or anyone else concerned.

As somebody who sometimes drives trucks at work I have to do CPC courses. One was about illegal immigrants. The drivers were saying that they get huge fines if people are found in the back of the wagon and it's their responsibility to remove them. However, most have knives because they need them to slash the curtains so it can be highly dangerous if they don't want to exit of their own will.

I don’t think any of these crimes are worth the system that’s in place.

Would the OP be just as concerned if there were 1,500 men of the Tommy Robinson ilk moving in??

Maybe we could do an exchange? For every asylum seeker we let in we could deport a moron of our own? I'd vote for that.

You can prepare the papers for Judical review yourself if you are dedicated, it's not expensive, it's unlikely to be successful, but it's a chance.

It points out that you are applying a double standard to human beings.

A white local man can do some god awful thing here and noone is saying do you know what we've had enough of? Men. Let's lock them away, or track them or something in order to protect women and girls.

But when a migrant man does something awful that's what you suggest for all migrants.

Why can you not see the problem with this? Male violence is a male issue. Men are going to migrate and a very small proportion of them are likely to be violent because they are men. That does not by default make it ok to then blanket ban an entire group of people most of whom are not a danger to anyone (not that it would work anyway). What about all the female refugees who'd be harmed in the process of that?

Your figures are for world migrants. Not migrants to UK

"For migrants, we found data regarding religious background: The Pew Research Center, a non-profit think tank based in Washington, focuses on the demographic and social characteristics of migrants. It has conducted a study with data on the religious composition of the world's migrants. Here we see that 47 percent of all migrants are Christian and 29 percent are Muslim"

Stop promulgating misinformation to support your erroneous argument.

The thread about sponsorship of a refugee surprised me yesterday as Mumsnet does lean left generally but not on that thread.

I've asked you several times about the NYE where 1200 German women were sexually assaulted (and 500 estimated rapes) by a large mob of ethnic males, many of whom were asylum seekers.

What do you think happened here and why aren't European men perpetrating similar crimes?

Ah that’s where you had the brain washing, at University.

Was it not something like 40+% of the men who turned out in NI rioting and protesting against migrants to "protect our women and girls" had convictions specifically for violence against women and girls?

I wonder who would statistically come up as most dangerous. The group where most men are running to get away from the extremists and get females to safety or the local men... hmm. Toughie.

A white local man can do some god awful thing here and noone is saying do you know what we've had enough of? Men. Let's lock them away, or track them or something in order to protect women and girls.
But when a migrant man does something awful that's what you suggest for all migrants.

Unfortunately we are stuck with the local white man.

But the migrant shouldn't be here in the first place.