AIBU to feel helpless about a large asylum camp in our village?

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My village has been chosen for a 1500 open asylum camp for single men. It will be an open camp (as the men haven't done anything wrong so aren't detained.)

The thing is the village only has 700 people and it is pretty isolated. it's about 10 miles to the nearest city and you can walk to another small village. There is a playpark, a pub and a primary school.

It has to go through planning, but the government have changed the planning laws so that they grant themselves planning and you can't see it as it is deemed sensitive. So they will just grant themselves planning and you can't oppose it without a judicial review--by which time it will probably be already open.

They want to reduce the number of people in hotels. But am AIBU to think that this puts the burden of sorting these issues out on one tiny community? Feels like we are collateral damage to be honest. The community will be outnumbered 2 to 1 and it feels too much. There is nothing for them to do or places to go. Also the fact that it is all single men put in one massive place with no money or means or anything to do is going to lead to problems

Apparently the camps cost £10 less a night than the hotels. But they don't count the set up costs which are astronomical (the one in Essex was £47 million to set up). So it seems like it's not not even cheaper than the problem it is trying to solve but much more expensive.

AIBU to feel a bit helpless? It seems so unfair but there is nothing I can do. We wouldn't be able to move from the village anyway as no one would buy a house here.

Do you actually realise that men fleeing Afghanistan are likely to be fleeing precisely because they oppose the Taliban? If they were in cahoots with the regime, why risk their lives to travel halfway across the world?

FFS! Just because you are born in a misogynistic country doesn't mean you are, by nature, a misogynist or sex offender.

Millions upon millions of men in countries like Afghanistan are beyond appalled by what goes on there. If you are seen as on the wrong side of the Taliban, your life is in danger. What would you do if you were a young man in that country? Perhaps you are gay? Perhaps you fear for your life? What would you do?

No the camp is transient. The men will be there about 90 days and then move on. So a rolling stock of 1500 men rather than there being people there that you could get to know. I meant the way they are going to organise it makes the asylum seekers transient.

Ordinary British people got slavery abolished btw, the Navy shed blood for it, and we paid for it in our taxes till the 21st Century.

The world owes Britain a debt of gratitude for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism_in_the_United_Kingdom

Why are you pretending that was the main reason?

It’s horrible, isn’t it? And so many on this thread are complicit in it.

Tragedies happen in this line of work all the time. In care homes, children's homes, offenders centres and hostels. The only time I've been held at knife point was by someone local.

The problem with this mentality is that you're looking at people and saying hmm... this one struggled with complex ptsd, or this one has developed poor mental health or this one actually was awful. So let's use that as an excuse to ban a whole group of people the majority of whom are completely safe and have done nothing wrong and are more likely to be harmed than they are to harm.

You can see the abuse of privilege in that right?

Yeah the Human Rights lawyers who make a shed ton of money out of British taxes would be fuming.Not to mention all the other parasitic organisations that are making billions out of this.
But didn’t you say it would be impossible, no not impossible just not to some peoples advantage.

Again, Wiki says ‘massive Jamaican rebellions—most notably the Baptist War (or Christmas Rebellion) of 1831—were a primary catalyst that forced the British Parliament to abolish slavery itself in 1833”’

Exactly… what do the virtue signallers think about that?

" Threatening letters from the Taliban, once tantamount to a death sentence, are now being forged and sold to Afghans who want to start a new life in Europe."

https://apnews.com/general-news-6c4fd4eae7284ac9b9453ce0040457dc

Talk about downplaying Rhiannon's murder. Tragedy!

This says it all -

You are getting desperate now Noma.

India is not party to the refugee convention. It arrests them for illegal entry. Detains and deports.

Protects their own citizens first.

Nomas is desperate to get the thread up to its posting capacity. I'm sure she'd be happy to start a part 2 thread.

But of a weird take. When have you seen me start threads?

If I respond, I’m accused of filling the thread.

If I don’t respond, I’m accused of avoidance.

I used to be a leftist virtue signaller… when I was young and an idealist. Then I woke up.

I don’t accept a woman has to be the victim for the male centric system of asylum. Why should anyone be ok with that for a family member?

No one would be.

Rupert Lowe in full spate -

Ha, typical obfuscation from our electronic house pals!

Back to where they originally lived and came from?

Well, I didn’t even vote Labour but even I know if you sign up the ECHR, you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

But you can see that's because of the way people have reacted to other forms of accommodation? People are so busy arguing that they aren't seeing that they are creating an even bigger problem. The hotels were never a great solution because vulnerable people living in a hotel for longer than they should be is unsustainable, but people have made sure that's now a no go. (Also making it difficult for vulnerable local people to access this resource in the process. )

The reason why we have such an issue with accommodation is because our government has capped social housing builds for so long. Policies have been ineffective and then lo and behold farage and Johnston fumbled brexit into the mix. Utterly screwing our home office system and making it impossible for us to extract reliable information from other countries to expedite the asylum process. Brexit meant that asylum claims on average went from 3 months processing time to nearly 2 years processing time. That made it impossible for people to work or find suitable accommodation for significantly longer and created a huge backlog.

And instead of people owning their responsibility in this - because this is what you voted for if you voted for brexit- they are just throwing their toys out and refusing to engage in any sensible discussions about it. And in the process are making it harder for anyone to integrate.

The activists are full of shit but at least it makes them look good whilst polishing their halos.

The actual Transatlatic slave trade was abolished in 1807 by the British FYI.

Anyway that's all absolutely fucking irrelevant to the issue - it's not the descendents of chattel slavery being moved to random English villages.