To think we need to start talking about the lack of jobs?

[Newmeagain]

This is prompted by quite a few threads I have read recently, from parents of young people looking for jobs or posters themselves struggling with finding a job.

I feel like a lot of responses are completely out of touch and people are not aware how hard it is right now. There are no “supermarket jobs” etc that you can just pick up.

I think this is having a particularly significant impact on school leavers and graduates looking for their first full time job, students wanting part time work and also anyone over 50 who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.

In relation to jobs being filled by Indians. You can actually say this is a fact for nursing jobs. There were big recruitment drives abroad by the nhs and they took on a significant amount of Indian qualified nurses. Now in the city the student nurses can only secure 18 hour contracts instead of full time contracts. It’s completely bonkers that we’ve spent money and time training uk nurses that we now can’t give jobs to!

I'm not in the UK but unemployment is a big issue here. I took voluntary redundancy from my last full time job and did temp work for several years, doing all sorts of things - which I enjoyed far more than my office job btw. I could have been working every day if I wanted to. I agree, people don't think outside the box sometimes.

And your last sentence tells us everything we need to know. There are jobs... but people don't want to do them.

Why can't you talk about it?
Why Indian people specifically? Are you talking about companies choosing to outsource jobs abroad so that they can enjoy larger profits or about highly educated Indian people in well paying jobs?

RTFT.

Is that really your only conclusion from what the pp wrote?!

He/she said 'There are usually jobs in care but it’s not for everyone.'

Do you think that everyone is suited to care work?
Are you trying to blame the victim here? It sure sounds like it.

I read the first page and saw that you had not replied. Instead of being rude, why don't you link your response? I don't have time to read hundreds of posts just to search for your replies.

Would she set up a business? My friend with 1st class CS did that and sold it and retired late 30s!

Depends what industry you are in. There is a national shortage of podiatrists. Ive been asked to stay after retirement and I will. Ill work to 70 if Im fit enough.

Noticed a large number of staff were Indian in a clothes shop in Guildford recently. All the car park attendants at the train station were African. Total lack of any British people who used to do these jobs.

I find it shocking that in an age of AI, businesses are being allowed to recruit/import employees from abroad and these jobs are not being advertised to local British people.

In my previous jobs, I have done a lot of work with people overseas. They could work on projects for day, £3 an hour. We could have hired a local agency or freelancer to do the work, but that would have been significantly more expensive.

Meanwhile the CEO of the company spent every summer on his yacht.

It’s all money making and exploitation. I felt extremely uncomfortable working with these lovely and talented people who produced fantastic work for such a small wage.

Skilled jobs where the U.K. doesn’t have enough people with the right skills - fair enough. But there are lots of unskilled low wage jobs e,g, retail, hospitality that used to be done by British people which are now being occupied by people who have come to the U.K. very recently.

Do we need these low skilled workers from abroad or are businesses finding them cheaper to employ? Is this why British people can’t find minimum wage jobs & have to resort to benefits?

It’s really important to understand what is going on in the U.K.

I agree - exploitation of foreign workers but grossly unfair to British people who desperately need jobs.

There are so many Indian workers suddenly because of the new India Young Professionals Scheme: Allows Indian citizens 18–30 with a degree to live and work in the UK for 2 years. They can take any job, not just a "professional" one.

I think the fact you said this thread was prompted by several other threads talking about how hard it is to find jobs suggests people are talking about it.

A lot.

Yep the nurses are mainly Indians in my local hospital. Senior nurses and above - locals. And healthcare - some foreigners, but mostly locals. Upper and lower echelons locals, the middle gateway Indian. And you don’t see a problem with that?

Because I can assure you that many of the low healthcare echelons would like to go on to do nursing and have a chance at a decent life but they can’t. Many would be very good, better than the Indians who themselves are very good. Paying 60000 to do a nursing degree and have to work on the wards for free? Do the work they’re doing now, but instead of being paid and using that to pay bills, actually have to pay to do that work and run up huge debts instead?

How? Actually how? When you have bills to pay?

And then you come out of that degree and there’s no jobs, and you only have a year or so to find one before that degree becomes worthless? Qualifications used to be for life, showing your ability and potential for life. Now they cost a fortune and are worthless.

Meanwhile those Indians have trained for a very cheap cost or none at all, and can do the work at a lower price.

We do indeed need to be able to talk about what is happening in our own country and I am sick of foreigners telling us we can’t talk in our own country because it’s ’racist’ or for any other reason.

The only hope on the horizon is that those Indian nurses are getting fed up with the bureaucracy here needed to do the simplest things - needing risk assessments filled out for each piece of medication to be given - and the stress of insecure employment on low pay and many are planning to go back. Some have already sent their kids back, or never brought them because of what they see as inadequate education and the appalling levels of care they provide here. They want to go back somewhere where professional workers are still held in some esteem and value. But with a country of 1.4 billion cheap pre-trained workers effectively in a free movement scheme with Britain, they will be replaced by…. More Indians. We need to train our own and give them jobs, and actually value them.

Well done Brexiteers. Ditch reciprocal free movement with the EU and get one with India which no one here can afford.

i don’t know how anyone didn’t hear about that clause in the Indian free trade deal btw it was all over the headlines.

What a load of nonesense.
if anything I’ve seen people of a retirement age doing entry level jobs (which perhaps in the past would be done by young people, i.e. supermarkets etc) possibly to top up their state pension to be able to survive

Walking down a couple of local high streets recently and the amount of empty shops - places that were well established is scary.

And yet where I live every day people are posting on social media desperate for construction jobs having completed their college/apprenticeship.

I read these threads frequently as the proud parent of my teenage sons who are both struggling to find work. One has 2 hours a week working as a cleaner, the other has just started a UC claim.

Lots of people on here posting about care work or early years… as you can imagine those employers are unlikely to employ men, never mind 18/19 yo men!!

Exactly, my hairdresser simply cannot find juniors to train up. If they get somebody, they leave if yhey aren't given real clients straight away and also complain about the hours.
Also a friend with horses is willing to pay a high wage for a good stable hand - cannot find anyone

A lot of them are fleeing war or persecution Eg Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Eritrea. They’re here to avoid death. It’s part of our duty as a decent international citizen to protect these people.

Of course some people are coming for economic reasons. They’re the ones who should be sent
home.

A larger population can create more jobs in time. (So not instantly). More people spending = more revenue = more job creation

DS went into an employment agency a few weeks ago and has registered with them. He's 19. Getting loads of work offered.

I also work in a secondary school… in the East Midlands. Students with part time work is incredibly rare!!

I have 18yo twin sons - among two quite different friendship groups only one is employed outside of school/college. That kid is in the army. Another gets seasonal work on his grandparents farm. That’s it. The rest desperately looking and have been for a long long time.