To think we need to start talking about the lack of jobs?

[Newmeagain]

This is prompted by quite a few threads I have read recently, from parents of young people looking for jobs or posters themselves struggling with finding a job.

I feel like a lot of responses are completely out of touch and people are not aware how hard it is right now. There are no “supermarket jobs” etc that you can just pick up.

I think this is having a particularly significant impact on school leavers and graduates looking for their first full time job, students wanting part time work and also anyone over 50 who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.

With respect, I can claim to be the queen of Sheba online there’s no way of verifying your credentials or your opinion.

Yes as a 17 year-old what time are yours roaming the streets till?

Given the ruined crops a few years ago, it was fairly clear that the only people prepared to do the picking etc were the immigrants.

You see it on here all the time. I remember one woman kicking off because her son had been asked to clean toilets as (a normal) part of his job.

Even on this thread people have said that they have helped their kids phone round etc. I know some employers will automatically put people on the ‘no’ pile if the potential employee gets their mummy to contact them.

17 is basically an adult so shouldn’t need to be tucked up in bed with a story and a cup of cocoa

a curious response. I don’t think you can verify the ‘credentials’ of anyone online and I don’t think opinions are verifiable anyway… I’m not sure why you would want to do this either. PhDs are pretty common.

Wetherspoons are hiring all over the country. Range of jobs, flexible shift patterns, experience not always necessary, jobs available for under 18s.
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And yet you felt compelled to mention one to attempt to validate your opinion, I find PhD candidates are like that

It’s not an adult though is it ? an adult is 18 so it’s a full 12 months before they are in fact a legal adult
And as I say, I doubt very much it’s something that you’ve dreamt of for your offspring since they left your loins, just other people’s children that have to suck it up eh ?

An adult is 18 so it’s a full 12 months before they are in fact a legal adult

Depends on how long ago they turned 17.

A 17 yo today could be a legal adult tomorrow.

🙄 I don’t think that would wash if they tried to buy alcohol in a pub, yes officer I’ll be 18 tomorrow. Please don’t throw me out.

I think it is hard many od Dd student friends are told we don't want students when looking for work. Luckily she has a job in a hotel her older brother got her at 16 and they like her back in the holidays, shes also just picked up a job in the uni cafe during term.time. Other friends are struggling due to being unable to get basic experiance

Blimey. I mentioned the PhD as it is relevant to my job and experience with AI! I’m not saying I’m special. Every man and his dog has (and needs)this qualification in my profession. I actually think the majority of people could get a PhD with time, effort and funding - most people have original thoughts that researched and packaged in the right way would qualify. That’s quite a chip on your shoulder.

Good, I’m glad you’ve acknowledged that you are not special as you say they hand them out like confetti now

And I’m glad you have confirmed why I don’t talk to people in real life about AI! I’m going to extend that rule now to Mumsnet. What an odd exchange this has been.

KFC is as you point out franchised. Each branch is actually a business owned and run by an individual, not KFC. My own experience is that businesses being run in the way you describe are almost always owned and run by someone of the same ethnicity.

The government DO legislate this.

If you think they are not being paid the £33,400 minimum that must be paid to a sponsored immigrant, or if you think they are fraudulently here on student visas, then you should report the business to the immigration authorities.

My local KFC, thankfully is staffed by local people representing the local population.

The net immigration figures have fallen since Boris wave, which was frankly ridiculous. But British nationals are net leavers - 136,000, as are EU nationals at -42,000. So non-EU net immigration was still 350,000 so higher than total net immigration.

Yes, absolutely. 17 year olds are still school children.
No decent parent would choose to have their child cycling on small roads (fair to assume small roads with lack of transport) and all the amazing 'solutions' that have been suggested (electric bikes and cars) involve having thousands of £ to spend.

What - having to do work in the evenings instead of being tucked up with a bedtime story by 11.00? Do get a grip.

A 17yo could be legally in charge of a vehicle so they really should be mature enough to be out on their own at night

So is the issue the money or the fact they are ‘children’? Because they are old enough to marry and drive a car.

At 17 surely they would be ‘students’? The infantilisation of those in their late teens is contributing to them struggling to stand on their own two feet.

Look at the threads where mothers want to speak to their DC’s manager about something they disagree with. And how many parents phone in sick for their offspring.

Correct but when you can't get a job in your chosen industry, surely any job is better than no job to cashflow your life until you can get access to the right opportunity? There are people on this thread saying they have been out of work for 2 years because they can't get a job in their sector. If that was me I'd be taking any job in any sector (and possibly 2 or 3 roles if the money wasn't what I'm used too) to pay for my family until I can sort out my next move

I.n rural areas most kids learn to drive as soon as they turn 17. And " school children" only the ones that stay on at 6th form are and it's a bit different to an 12 year old

School children who’s parents have money in rural areas learn to drive as soon as they turn 17

I earn under 20k a year. My kids all learned to drive at 17. Had been saved up for. .aAnd we aren't particularly rural

Before that I was picking them up from jobs on late finishes.

And only one of mine e stayed on in 6th form . So the other 2 definitely weren't " school kids"

My aunt is in a nursing home in the NW. The care staff are mostly Indian. Definitely recruiting people from India for these jobs. The companies do not seem to be able to find staff locally.

Its not that they can't find staff locally.