To think we need to start talking about the lack of jobs?

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This is prompted by quite a few threads I have read recently, from parents of young people looking for jobs or posters themselves struggling with finding a job.

I feel like a lot of responses are completely out of touch and people are not aware how hard it is right now. There are no “supermarket jobs” etc that you can just pick up.

I think this is having a particularly significant impact on school leavers and graduates looking for their first full time job, students wanting part time work and also anyone over 50 who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.

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How many agencies is he registered with?

I recruit into Digital Professions for a large Public Sector employer. A lot of our Devs & Test are Indian, we don’t outsourced, they are based in the Uk and get UK wages .. so it’s not a cost saver they are just better qualified.

We have lots of roles we struggle to recruit into both Technical and non-technical (BA, UCD etc). These are good jobs, good wages, but the candidates coming though aren’t good.

The current Educational system / curriculum in no way prepares young people for the sorts of jobs that are available. It’s need a radical overhaul to become more skills / sector based.

Add to that the quality of CV .. I’m currently recruiting, nice job, £70k a year - you would think people at that level would tailor a CV, it needs to be obvious how you fit the essential criteria, not a generic CV.

I'm Scottish and to me it means either or, I would need you to say "the sweet kind". I got a mince pie (mince round) from my butcher this week. I don't know where you live that actual beef mince pies no longer exist. What about bridies eg or cornish pasties - do they not have mince in them?

Cornish pasties don't have mince They have chopped meat

😂

What kind of meat?

Anyway doesn't really matter but to me a BRITISH WHITE person mince pies could mean a savoury one or the ones that nobody eats unless it's Christmas.

Beef

I must admit if someone was asking about mince pies around Xmas I'd automatically assume the sweet ones. Tehe savoury ones are minced beef pies aka the poor relation to steak pie

Definately the poor relation. I got it for my son and his partner because they love them. I got a steak one for us 😄

That’s an excellent point, they do and they stitch people up in other ways for example child support. The mother’s wages - I should say the resident parent but we all know we’re talking about the mother - is deducted from the child support payments require required from the other Party
So if Mum does well, Dad has less obligation which I’ve never really understood. It doesn’t matter whether the Mum wipes her arse with the money. Dad should still be contributing.
Whether she needs it or not is irrelevant.
To answer the question there’s less people reliant on Centrelink their equivalent, but that is because the wages are higher. Not necessarily more ending up in people’s pocket at the end of the day.

They also have their version of Workfare, work for the dole.

Our recruits are UK based, employed and paid in the UK so UK wages. They work in our office, on a desk next to me. They just happen to be Indian.

What? Thats an odd thing to say

Only 14% of IT professionals based in the UK are from India so 🤷‍♀️.However nearly 50% of uk companies are outsourcing IT offshore and primarily India - surely this is a problem on so many levels and adding to staff in the uk being sourced from abroad.

“The current Educational system / curriculum in no way prepares young people for the sorts of jobs that are available. It’s need a radical overhaul to become more skills / sector based.”

Just my experience, teachers lecturers and careers advisors weren’t very helpful for career advice. Unless you had middle class friends/ family you didn’t even know the sorts of jobs that existed or how to get there. My parents could only recommend me becoming a teacher (not for everyone). Plenty of mc grads studied a ‘random’ degree that doesn’t translate well to any sector but still managed to land a good corporate job.

However I also think it doesn’t help that companies don’t invest and train people up as much. If I look at the older generation in my company, some didn’t even have many qualifications, joined as school leavers and started entry level jobs but worked their way up. They didn’t know the sort of future job they’d end up in. There’s less chance for younger people to learn on job, pick up new skills as they go and work way up. Now expected to hit the ground running

Back then you’d get a staff taxi that your employer would pay for to get you home. I’d bet that and other perks are long gone now.

Lack of transport is a big problem. One of my kids- desperate to work- was trying to figure out how to get to an advertised job in town a few miles away when the shift starts at 5.00 am sometimes, and finishes at 23.00 other days.
When I worked unsociable hours as a young person (in a theatre) I too got a taxi home from the company. There also used to be more early/ late buses and trains.
Thats unthinkable now.

Damn those brown people coming over here and serving us nuggets. Can you hear yourself?

That might well be the case - I can only state my personal experience of recruiting.

I think the shortage of student jobs is largely down to the decline in retail. 20 years ago shopping in physical retail stores was a leisure activity, and that sector absorbed huge numbers of students and young people. These days, far fewer people shop in stores and they just don’t need so many staff. The jobs still exist, but they just aren’t in shops anymore. More likely to be in warehouse packing and delivery driving for online orders. This might mean they are located in different areas or appeal to different types of people.

I am an immigrant and I can absolutely see why it would catch someone's attention. I don't think it's fine either. Especially if it doesn't reflect local demographic. This is maccies, not some small polish or arab shop with total staff of 3.5 people who need to know the produce and often language.

These are tjough exactly the jobs which people here are talking about are now missing as well so I think it was a valid point, especially about student visa restrictions being ignored possibly

I’m wthnically Asian, I know you probably mean well but I think comments like this are why there’s a rise in people becoming racist as they’re shut down even when they’ve not actually said anything offensive.

I don’t think there was anything wrong with what MilkBiscuit had said, I’ve also observed similar in other parts of the UK (see my previous post in thread). I would have commented the same if it were polish people too. I have no problem with immigrants (my grandparents were) but it is unusual if one type of ethnic group seems to be overly represented. Especially if its an area where this group make up a tiny % of population in the area

People who’ve passed their driving test and have a couple of grand spare in order to do so
They’re a bit thin on the ground
And then of course we’ve got the electric bike delivery crew, again I don’t think I’ve ever seen a white face doing that of any nationality.

Look at the comments from Nigel Farage - who himself is rarely in his office constituency.

Brexit and AI have both played their part in the shrinking job market. However the biggest own goal was the increase in employers NI.

Thanks Rachel from Accounts. I hope to see you out of a job soon.

Her timing was shit
We needed an increase on national insurance contributions from employers unfortunately the time to do it was straight after the pandemic when everybody was grateful to the public sector and specifically the NHS workers for keeping us all alive
How quickly they forgot
And my question a small business owner is whingeing about the national Insurance rise is having you paid back your Bounce Back Loan?
They usually go very quiet at that point