To think we need to start talking about the lack of jobs?

[Newmeagain]

This is prompted by quite a few threads I have read recently, from parents of young people looking for jobs or posters themselves struggling with finding a job.

I feel like a lot of responses are completely out of touch and people are not aware how hard it is right now. There are no “supermarket jobs” etc that you can just pick up.

I think this is having a particularly significant impact on school leavers and graduates looking for their first full time job, students wanting part time work and also anyone over 50 who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.

If you say so

It’s just changing at a rapid pace and there are no blueprints on how to adapt so the youngsters are having to figure this out and parental advice is redundant.

We have teens and have no fucking clue.

We now have a mountain of paperwork to get them EU passports, whereas we didn’t need that. Although we want EU passports as well I guess.

Are their education choices going to be a help or a hindrance? God knows. They are keeping their languages up, for fun, but also that language brain thing that it’s easier learning further languages if you are already bi-lingual (plus they will get a language test for passport)

They are going to have to be resistant adaptable I think, in ways we managed to luckily bumble through. H could train them in computer geek skills, not sure that’s what they want to do but might be an option.

We can’t move house as we want to until they are established, where we are isn’t too bad for career jobs and connections.

It almost feels like we need to create a career job for them which is clearly ridiculous, but that’s how it feels.

Optimistically in a depressing way especially after this week the world has many problems to sort out in the coming years. We are going to need ideas, engineering, solutions, adaptions, different goals. There is always much to do.

Have you set up a business? Why would anyone be ‘playing’ at it.

He hasn't had one penny of subsidy. None of his UK employees have ever been on salaries so low they need benefits. He and his staff and his company have paid millions in tax over the years. He hasn't been playing at anything, he's worked his arse off and taken huge personal financial risk to build a very successful business from scratch.

He's the kind of high value job creator the country is desperate for more of, but left leaning profit haters are too blind to see it.

the posts written would indicate that is indeed the case

It really does seem to apply at all levels - Saturday jobs for teens, school leavers, graduates, experienced staff who haven't yet reached the age for ageism, older people, and in casual jobs, professional jobs... In the last few years, some of my experienced friends have had lengthy periods (1-2 years) with no job at all. My DD had a 2-year graduate job contract, and after that ended she spent well over 2 years out of work, applying for both professional and casual jobs, before getting a zero hours waitressing contract.

There are a few on here saying their children and all their friends had no trouble, but they are the lucky ones.

On holiday in Italy last year, we went to a very small supermarket. There were about 6 tills, and every one had a person on it. There was also a man weighing fruit and veg for customers. When I go to my large supermarket in the UK, there may be nobody at all on the tills, a single person supervising the automated checkouts, and one or two other staff wandering around. Plus a security guard who occasionally gets attacked or verbally abused by customers. How come they can pay people to serve customers in Italy while we are shopping in a dystopian nightmare?

What is the case and why?

I’m not talking about asylum seekers. Asylum seekers only account for 5-10% of immigration to the UK. Vastly more come on work visas.

Last year 183,000 people immigrated to the UK legally on work visas granted by the British state. They brought 83,000 dependents with them, again with the full permission of the authorities.

Why are the Government importing so many new workers when British people can’t get jobs, and when the prospect of mass AI-related redundancies is on the horizon?

Well his mum paid obviously
You have to invest a bit in your children sometimes

I’ve set up several businesses that are actively active today.
Hundreds of businesses locally that are fighting for their lives every day. My daughter was working for one literally didn’t take money in the till to pay people.
One of the most active posters in my network on Linkedin at the moment is the Debt Collector guy who is driving the country trying to get people to pay for service services that they have engaged but could never afford
I’ve been a victim of it myself with some twat playing running a business incurring 25 g worth of fees from myself owing HMRC 950 grand and they’ve just gone bust surprisingly
But it’s not surprising at all they never had a business to begin with.
It’s been smoke and mirrors

I am not in any kind of a relationship with him, what a bizarre assumption to make.

You said this and I quote:

"On another forum after COVID I got slaughtered for pointing out that if people insisted on WFH they just prove that their jobs can be done by the cheapest person anywhere in the world"

And so people pointed out no it doesn't. And also pointed out that if WFH proves their job can be done by the cheapest person anywhere in the world, then you must think not working from home and working from an office proves otherwise?

Then you went on to argue that small companies wouldn't have dreamed of outsourcing labour to other countries (where it's cheaper) before WFH became popular and that people 'refusing to return to the office' meant that they had to.

You seem very confused about what you said.

Because not every 16 year old lives at home.

very confused

And also pointed out that if WFH proves their job can be done by the cheapest person anywhere in the world, then you must think not working from home and working from an office proves otherwise?

You critical reasoning skills are failing you there I'm afraid.

We should be using NEETs and young people over this. It’s probably because it’s easier to use work ready people with visas but we can’t have so many YP not in work.

This is a really good question!

I got a job alert from LinkedIn recently, which went like this

Role: Translator (Remote)
Job Type: Part-Time Contract
Location: Remote (Work From Home)
Compensation: Up to $20 USD/hr, paid weekly

About the Role
We are looking for fluent language professionals to help train and evaluate AI language models. This is a flexible, part-time contract role you can do entirely from home, on your own schedule. If you work with language professionally - as a writer, teacher, translator, tutor, linguist, or language specialist - this role is a strong fit.

What You'll Do
Read and evaluate AI-generated text for quality, accuracy, and fluency
Write short prompts and creative responses to help train AI systems
Rank and compare AI outputs based on clear evaluation criteria
Provide written feedback on language quality

What We're Looking For
Fluency in your language and English
Bachelor's degree or higher, preferably in a humanities, language, or writing-related field
Professional experience working with language - writing, teaching, translating, editing, annotating, or related fields
Strong attention to detail and ability to follow evaluation guidelines
Background in linguistics, academic writing, data annotation, or AI content evaluation is a plus
What You Get
Up to $20 USD/hr, paid weekly
Fully remote - work from anywhere
Flexible hours - you set your own schedule
Part-time contract - ideal as a primary or supplemental income source

So basically, they are advertising a graduate job, for someone with professional experience, for which they pay around £15 an hour (my daughter earns more waitressing). This job has the express intention of replicating and stealing your hard-earned skillset, with the goal of rendering you obsolete. Nice. Unfortunately I couldn't see any way of contacting them to say Fuck Right Off.

Peoples experiences of this issue are always going to vary hugely, becahse obviously, there are still jobs. But there are fewer of them.
So chances are, if you live in an urban area with lots of opportunities and your teen is super personable, polite, tidily presented, flexible and motivated, they can probably still get a job, and you'll think oh there's no issue!

When there are job shortages, its going to be the people living in quieter areas and the less employable teens who miss out - the ones who frankly struggle with talking to adults, struggle getting up in the morning, perhaps don't present themselves well. Once upon a time supermarkets were full of grumpy teens on a Saturday because they needed staff so they'd hire anyone, now they dont need as many, so can be a bit choosier who they give the jobs to.

In smaller towns high streets have lost loads of smaller shops that once provided part time employment for young people.

There isnt really a solution, other than keeping the minimum wage for 16 year olds low to make them a more attractive proposition to employers.

@Imdunferyou need to reread your posts…

Thank goodness you had the intelligence to see through it. I’ve seen people on this site suggesting that our young people train these bots.

Sadly though, many of them need a job, any job. Luckily for me and my sanity, I don't!

The owner of that small supermarket won’t have the money to pay for self checkouts and a gate that means you have to scan your receipt before they let you out. If they did have the money you can bet your last penny they would make the experience as automated as they can, because eventually profits would rise with less humans to pay.

The town i live in has seasonal jobs at low level, minimum wage and similar at a much lower level out of season. There are jobs in the next town in each direction. One, again, is mainly seasonal but a few office jobs and driving. The other direct has more office jobs but again mainly minimum wage. Neither is particularly easy to get to by public transport outside mainly. Working hours, for instance in one town the latest you can work to is 5.30pm and my son got rejected for a job because they wanted someone who could work on shift up to 7pm (not advertised)

Then you get self checkouts in shops, AI taking office jobs.

Something needs to be done as we'll have so few people working, so many claiming benefits that something bad will happen ver suddenly.

Well, we keep going round and round in circles. If you don’t pay human beings, they can’t buy what you’re selling so they’ll just steal it.
And nobody will make any profit on anything