To think we need to start talking about the lack of jobs?

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This is prompted by quite a few threads I have read recently, from parents of young people looking for jobs or posters themselves struggling with finding a job.

I feel like a lot of responses are completely out of touch and people are not aware how hard it is right now. There are no “supermarket jobs” etc that you can just pick up.

I think this is having a particularly significant impact on school leavers and graduates looking for their first full time job, students wanting part time work and also anyone over 50 who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.

It's unskilled work, most of it is obvious so yes. It's already considered that and lots of unskilled people already doing it.

This always makes me laugh. Is he doing that out of the goodness of his heart?
He’s moved those jobs to make more money if the business wasn’t viable for seven people wouldn’t have the jobs in the first place and neither would he so it’s perfectly viable and it could be running in the UK. He’s just choosing not to do that because it’s more profitable to outsource the other jobs and he is exactly the kind of business that we all need to make a concentrated effort to avoid.

Actually they are very highly skilled and doing a better job than the people he was employing in the UK, so those jobs won't be coming back any time soon.

He didn't pull up any ladders behind him. He has consistently taken on young people and trained them up and trapped up their salaries with their increased experience. His difficulty in the last few years is finding younger people with the resilience to accept constructive criticism and work hard.

I have worked with clients on overseas outsourcing models - all have been excellent. Higher qualified employees, incredibly talented and quick to learn, the transition of work has been smooth and successful.

Somebody took the time to train him and to instill the knowledge into him and he is pulling the ladder up behind him.
it’s been difficult for everybody to do everything for the last six years. Good business owners did not go running after the Third World to exploit them as I say one to avoid so I’d be careful how much information you share about this business.

He's working in a competitive market. He either matches, preferably beats, what his competitors can offer or he goes out of business.

Most people on this forum have zero idea what it means to run a business and provide jobs for people.

Worlds tiniest violin being played in the background.

@samthepigeonI think that was the case but not necessarily now.

Moving from apprentership and worked based roles with evening college was a better fit for many industries - where people could learn on the job and do the qualifications in the evening or on day release to college. This has placed people in an academic environment which isn't moving as such a fast pace as the workplace - so has great disadvantages

I work in the tech sector (AI related) and doing things like you describe will make zero difference. Also AI is already at a level where it makes less mistakes that humans. What you're describing isn't AI anyway (electronic check out isn't AI it's just a machine).

Change and guardrails to mitigate AI need to be a government-level, potentially international level to have any impact. It's already on a roll and only government policy can look at what to do next. Companies are motivated by profit so governments may need to look at incentives to keep people employed.

The impact of it will be devastating if not mitigated. I worry daily about what I'm seeing on my end.

Absolute rubbish.

There were thousands of companies already outsourcing work to the Philippines and India and so on for years before COVID.

My Mum went to the Philippines to train call centre staff for a telecoms company in 2008. Why? because it was cheaper for companies.

You're telling me your mate was forced to source cheap labour from the Philippines because after COVID his workers chose unemployment instead of going back to the office? Not buying it.

And that still has nothing to do with your original point which was basically that 'WFH proves your job can be done cheaper overseas'

So how does working in an office prove your job can't be done cheaper overseas?

Exploit them 🤣. He pays well over the odds for the job in the Philippines, they are ecstatic to be exploited by him.

He trains young people up to very well paid careers, he has no ladder.

He isn't Elon Musk, he's just an ordinary guy who will retire comfortably but not filthy rich in an ordinary house on an ordinary housing development in a nice village. He's the kind of SME business builder that this country needs as many of as it can get hold of.

He's working in a competitive market. He either matches, preferably beats, what his competitors can offer or he goes out of business

with connectivity as it is now and more UK businesses outsourcing to staff abroad, more business owners in those countries will be able to offer similar services to customers here & undercut UK businesses.

how did he fund the training?

Should say ramped up not trapped up.

So how does working in an office prove your job can't be done cheaper overseas?

Im intrigued by this too particularly as you say it happened pre covid.

Precisely, they’re literally slitting their own throats the audacity of coming on here and telling us that we don’t know how to run businesses when they are literally sealing their own doom and exploding the Third World while they’re at it

Not for the parts of the business that depend on face to face interaction, and no, zoom calls won't hack it in some markets.

You always see it because it’s a viable option for some people and there is tons of work available in various aspects of the vast industry. But let’s face it, some people think they’re too good to work in health and social care at a low pay rate, so will continue to lengthen their gap of not working, therefore making them less employable. Often these people are subsidised by their parents or partners who work full-time.

why does this country need business owners like this? He just made two thirds of his workforce in this country unemployed?

its a bit like marks and Spencer telling everyone to shop at temu

The UK for the last 15 years under a conservative government has been encouraging nonsense like this and actually it’s not good for the UK at all. It’s people playing at running businesses playing employing people the moment actually they need to work out a viable business plan. they cant.
Right back to the days of Henry Ford the planning included the factory staff being able to afford to buy Ford cars if you can’t do that you literally don’t have a business and there’s been far too many people playing shop
Being subsidised, not fairly contributing and now the game is up

I never said that at all.

Working from home full time proves your job can be done overseas.

There is simply no logic to suggesting that working in an office proves your job can't be done overseas.

When I was at school/college/uni you could walk into a job fairly easily as long as you were flexible. That's not the case now.

However, I also see a lot of people who don't have that flexibility. The amount of people on here who moan they can't get a job but then it turns out they are only applying for a very small market is huge.

And, as someone else said I don't think people always know how to find jobs. I think most of my shop jobs were through signs in the window (even in big shops) but that's not how it works now.

It's hard for school kids to get a Saturday job because of insurance, DBS etc.

Precisely I presume that this captain of industry is married to the poster she doth protest too much
He is not a good person. I could do exactly the same and outsource to South Africa or getting some AI bots. I’m making an active decision not to and I’m still profitable and people are choosing to use me rather than my competitors for precisely that reason, they’ve got children of their own.

Strange take.