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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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ObliviousCoalmine · 28/06/2026 06:20

‘Expat’. lol.

Araminta1003 · 28/06/2026 06:28

My DCs grew up in London. They had kids from all over the world in their state primary school and same in their state grammar schools. There are more kids with parents born abroad than not. Most of the kids are dual or even triple nationals as there are a lot of international couples too. It’s completely normal in London now.
Pretty sure even Cobham has an international school - ACS? I bet it’s pretty international too.
So there are plenty of kids in England who have grown up multiculturally including in their food habits. My 12 year old doesn’t ask for roasts - it’s all sushi, goyozas, sour dough, French cheese, masala dosas, curries, Mexican food etc - even the school kitchen provides international food, they study all religions in RS, follow what goes on around the world, talk in history about all sorts, read lots of translated books. Things have changed including in Britain. Older generations may find it difficult to accept that the world moves on since when they were young. That is just normal. Technology and migration means things are moving even faster. And most private schools in London are even more international than state schools. Unis are very international too especially the London ones.

Araminta1003 · 28/06/2026 06:34

So my point is if you lived in London would your parents also be horrified as to how not British (their own narrow definition of the term ) their upbringing is?
I am very happy my DC experienced the 21st century British multicultural London upbringing they got. It’s a massive privilege to absorb and learn from so many different facets of life and have so many experiences at a young age and not one narrow perspective. If you are surrounded by people from all over and make friends with them it is enriching not the opposite. It makes them far braver to seize other opportunities and not be held back by fear.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 06:37

Mitzuko · 27/06/2026 21:05

If you're happy and your children are happy, who cares what other people think? By the way I think you lead an amazing life that many would dream of. So why let your parents destroy that happiness just to go back to what you left for a much better alternative?

Don't allow anyone's envy destroy your happiness.

Parents can often disappoint us, but that doesn't mean there is something wrong here. They are free to pursue the imaginary idea of a world populated mainly by pure British citizens, and be happy with that idea.

Just respect the difference, accept they'll never be you and you'll never be them, they'll never convince you they're in the right and vice versa.

Help your kids understand that there are so many different people and respect them, but don't let them influence you more than necessary.

I wish you the best in accord with your life choices.

Of course there's something wrong here. Her parents are racist and xenophobic and that can't just be brushed off as an unimportant difference of opinion. Why on earth would OP respect their vision of an entirely white British world? Their views are toxic and harmful.

Shortbreadel · 28/06/2026 06:49

I'd take a step back from them, stop sharing photos. Let you DH keep the communication with them. I'd put my foot down if they said that sort of thing infront of the children when they see them though

thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 07:02

Slowdownyouredoingfine · 27/06/2026 21:39

You’re in your 40s, of course your school photos will be predominantly white, so were mine in the 90s but things have changed. I live in with south east and my kids school is very multicultural now. I don’t think your parents sound particularly racist, old fashioned sure. They’re English, clearly proud of it and want their grandkids to be English. Maybe they feel disconnected in some way with the lack of British culture. Not necessarily right of them but I do think you’re being harsh.

OP's parents are proud of being white British. I've always wondered how you can be 'proud' of being born in the UK to white parents. They are white British through an accident of birth, not through any effort on their part. Old fashioned in OP's parents case is just a euphemism for racist and xenophobic. OP's parents feel superior to people they think are beneath them, whether that is because they aren't British, aren't white or aren't wealthy.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:06

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 03:11

I agree that you should be able to come back to the UK.
What I object to is that you seem to have made a plan to return at the exact times when you can take advantage of your British citizenship, having avoided paying hundreds of thousands, possibly millions into the UK economy. That is very selfish and entitled. If I have misundestood your posts, I apologise, but that is how it comes across.
I do agree with you that your parents sound racist and are living in a little, Cobham bubble.

DH and I were in our early 20s when we first moved. We did not do it to avoid tax we moved because it was where I could get a job directly related to degrees at a very young age instead of doing admin work. At that age I did not want to do admin work I’d go into work and cry because it was so useless and shifty pay + they acted like they were doing you a favour by hiring you.

I had the opportunity to travel all over the world for work, I don’t travel as much anymore but in my 20s one week I could be in was in Australia next three weeks later I am in Canada etc. Not many opportunities like that in the uk in your early 20s back then.

We aren’t actively avoiding tax. UK doesn’t seem to want to tax on citizenship, you can go change that if you’d like. The restructure in gov might change that we won’t complain after all we are British citizens. You can’t force people to stay in one country their whole lives.

I’m not in charge of the tax laws but I would oblige if the rules changed. Not living in uk isn’t us avoiding tax. When we come back we will oblige. The UK is not going to leave thousands of people like us stateless anytime soon. We do not have any other citizenship. Maybe it is entitled to feel as though we can come back to the uk but those are the rules I did not make those tax rules.

Yes we are taking advantage of our citizenship but I also welcome any changes uk wants to make in terms of tax and citizenship. You’re making lots of assumptions about us. I wanted opportunity and to travel the world and that’s what I did. I didn’t want to stay in cobham or move to move London. If I did that in my early 20s I’d only speak one language English for instance.

This has given me lots of opportunities even my grandparents when they were still alive said we’d be stupid not take these jobs we were offered. We did debate but in your early 20s at least for us tax wasn’t on our mind. I didn’t actively think straight after uni “yeah lets me move out for uk because I don’t want to pay tax” I moved because I was offered me a great job that’s all.

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Rubyslipperswitch · 28/06/2026 07:08

It sounds like you are doing a great job of raising your kids and giving them the right values, such as respect for others no matter the colour of their skin.

Your parents' comments are unacceptable.

At least the positive is that because they are being raised abroad they won't have to deal with or be influenced by their grand parents negative, narrow views.

I would make it clear to your parents that you will not carry on a conversation with them if/when they make these comments.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:09

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In a photo from what they’ve described they’d pass as English.

My parents have see photos of my children with America, Australian, Canadian, French kids etc and they make assumptions that they’re English based on colour. Which is why I think they are racist in their views. They have no issues with the white children from the looks of it and I don’t like that. My children are in an environment where there’s lots of children from so many different countries, they don’t all have white skin.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:15

VirtueName · 28/06/2026 01:50

Your parents are just mourning the fact that they have grandchildren who don’t share their culture, and are growing up at a distance. I have an American friend married to a Frenchman who’s raised their children in Paris and, despite lots of Skyping and visiting, her parents have never not been heartbroken that their only grandchildren are so far away and not American. A Brazilian friend of mine is struggling with her daughter having just had her first child with an Irishman, having settled in Ireland. Another friend would move to Germany where her only grandchild is growing up, but is trapped by caring for elderly parents in her home country. I don’t think this is at all unusual, or ‘racist’, just reminder to them that their grandchildren are a long way away in a soulless superficially Western-friendly dictatorship.

I don’t think it’s right the comments they’ve made. To even ask me what I would think
or do if my son brought home someone who isn’t English…I do not care. I know exactly want they mean too. If they brought home someone of another race it’s a disgusting way to view the world. My children are still children too yet there’s always hypotheticals in regards to who they bring home.

They can miss us but they have other grandchildren too. DHs parents are complete opposite and they can keep having access to our children. My parents need to change their ways I do not want my children hearing that. I think my sons would be upset if they got older and met someone but that someone wasn’t English , they’d be sad to find out their grandma was asking me what I would do about that as if it’s such a crime. My children can bring home anyone they like. If they’re a good person, not a criminal I simply do not care for colour of their skin etc.

Each to their own anyway. I have raised my children in an international environment. I speak Arabic (not with the best accent but I’ve lived all over Middle East enough to speak and understand) not fluently but I can get by. My children do speak a little Arabic they’re not fluent either but at the same time they go to an English speaking international school that’s affiliated with private schools in the uk. It teaches the English curriculum mostly.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:21

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They’re British citizens ? What other citizenship do they have. Last I check they were British citizens. They’re not ordinarily uk residents. It’s good to make sure we are using the correct legal terms here.

I am not thinking too much into it. It’s fine them being upset my children aren’t growing up in Surrey but what’s not fine is making hypothetical scenarios of if my children bring someone who that isn’t English. They’d interact with America, Australian, Swiss, Barbadians, Spanish, French etc everyday through teachers and other children. They’re likely to not bring home someone English and that’s okay I’m not bothered why should I be worried about that ? If skin colour my parents are worried about. They saw a picture do my children with their white friends, it was a group of 8 boys all white , only my children were British, my parents thought they were all Britain. That’s how I know this is to do with skin colours. Those children were from all over the world, Australia , Finland, Norwegian, American, Canadian, etc. They were just white so my parents showed their racism right there.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:24

Longdarkcloud · 27/06/2026 22:52

I’ve got 2 points to make

  1. I think the OP’s sons are having a brilliant upbringing. But would the customary laws affect them if they were daughters?
  2. Are your DS’s aware of the very different perspective on Human Rights? Are they aware of the thousands of poorly paid labourers and servants in the country, Do you have House servants? If so how must this affect your boys’ attitude re their own status in the world?

BTW I visited a very expensive and prestigious independent prep school recently and was struck by the fact that there was a minority of European pupils and attribute this to the fact that few English families can afford the fees.

We don’t have house servants.

I think they’re aware they’re still quite young so might not comprehend it but they have friends who have butters etc we do not.

I know it will affect their status in the world so we are trying to also raise them to be grounded.

I have lived here to know that the customary laws wouldn’t affect daughters if we had them. The laws affect locals. I’m not saying I agree with that but I do know how the laws work. Even when we were in Shanghai before kids, all the international kids did whatever they wanted it was the local kids that had to abide by the laws.

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rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 07:25

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This may be your particular experience but it absolutely can't be generalised.

My own family is very multicultural and it hasn't caused any problems. I'm sure we are all much more broad minded than most, having grown up with parents of different ethnicities from different cultures so that will make some difference.

So yes, I see the parents as racist and narrow minded. They also appear to think that the a British upbringing is inherently superior, which it clearly isn't. For me, this is nothing to do with being politically correct at all and I certainly don't fraternise exclusively with white or British people.

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 07:29

Yogafiend · 28/06/2026 01:23

@SixtySomething fair enough. I have a completely different experience. I married into a white British family and yes sometimes culturally there were differences but never found them problematic and to my knowledge neither did them. I love my in laws and have adopted some English customs and some of my own culture and we blend quite well. My brother is married to a woman from the Philippines and again she “blended” in very well with our family. Happy to try different customs such as how they got married (religiously). Differences yes but none of them problematic. The kids all get on well and we see no issues. Considering that my family, my brothers family, my DH family and my parents all live in different countries now and have different experiences of life.

edited to add: regarding friends I have a wide variety of friends that I consider close such as Indian, Phakistan, Philippines, the US and South Africa.

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Ditto.

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 07:31

DimwittedSkater · 28/06/2026 04:43

In order to pay UK home fees at uni, you have to have lived in the UK for a full three years immediately before the course starts. So it's hard to take advantage of paying home fees without first paying at least three years of UK tax. And the three years must not have been solely so that they could get home fees. Although how they'd prove that, I have no idea.

I understand that but it's a small price to pay in a 40 year working life paying no tax. I was responding to what the OP wrote. I'm not sure that I misinterpreted it, although she has since made various justifications.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 07:31

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English is a nationality and of course non-white citizens who were born in England are English. Your views mirror those of the BNP:

The British National Party (BNP) historically defines English and British identity exclusively by white, indigenous ancestry. They advocate for an ethnic-based nationalism rather than a civic one.

MerryUmberHedgehog · 28/06/2026 07:39

Sounds like they want you and your family to come home. I dont think they are racist as such but clearly think your children would be better off in England which isnt true for many reasons. They sound very blinkered and old fashioned and their comments are crass and clearly upsetting. Perhaps they are even envious. I think you should tell them this in a no nonsense way and to keep any such opinions to themselves. I think you have a wonderful life and your children are very lucky to experience it.

TigTails · 28/06/2026 07:40

If you’ve moved permanently you are immigrants.

chirrupybird · 28/06/2026 07:41

The parents never envisaged their grandchildren being brought up abroad and in a multi cultural environment. I think it's more fear of the unknown than racism, although the two are closely related often.

AsiaFlyer · 28/06/2026 07:42

thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 07:31

English is a nationality and of course non-white citizens who were born in England are English. Your views mirror those of the BNP:

The British National Party (BNP) historically defines English and British identity exclusively by white, indigenous ancestry. They advocate for an ethnic-based nationalism rather than a civic one.

Isn’t that different? The PP sees British as a civic descriptor and English as an ethnic one.

It’s not how I use the word (I think English is both a civic and ethic term) but I’m not sure it’s as abhorrent as you say.

If I were born in Vietnam I might be able to be Vietnamese but do you think I would be Viet too?

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:45

rainingsnoring · 28/06/2026 07:31

I understand that but it's a small price to pay in a 40 year working life paying no tax. I was responding to what the OP wrote. I'm not sure that I misinterpreted it, although she has since made various justifications.

We haven’t worked for 40 years. We are in our early/mid 40s 42 and 45. We will pay the fees we are not out to ‘steal tax payers money’ we have continued our NI contributions and still pay tax as we have a house in England. DH has a business with his brother who is now back in England classes to be an ordinarily a uk resident albeit lives in another country too.

I do not think people should just be forced to stay in England forever. Us and thousands of people live outside the uk but only have uk citizenships I do not think the country will live us stateless just because we chose not to live in England for a time being. Of course rules can change at any point. I just don’t think that law would be passed easily.

I understand people being frustrated. We are young early 20s and took the opportunities around the world. If uk wants to change its tax laws from residency to citizenship we will oblige so will many others.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:47

TigTails · 28/06/2026 07:40

If you’ve moved permanently you are immigrants.

I agree I’ve said we are immigrants too in my earlier post. I used the term expat as that’s what most say, it’s a term used when you don’t plan to live there permanently. Either way I don’t mind whichever her terms we have no issues being immigrants.

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PieLittlePony · 28/06/2026 07:49

My children go to the local state comprehensive in the UK. It's a great school. If you took a photo of their classes they would 'look' just as diverse as your children's at the international school in Dubai, possibly more so. I wonder if it's worth sharing this thought with your parents.

Phineyj · 28/06/2026 08:03

I mean pp make a good point about London and diversity. My DD's school experience is in many ways as different to mine as can be - we live 45 minutes' drive from my parents and some of DD's friends from primary actually attend my old school in Kent but that is much more culturally diverse these days (if economically, less so due to bonkers house prices).

My elderly parents do inhabit a bubble, something that is brought home to me when we occasionally travel on a London bus together. But many many people of their generation are in that situation. London and (parts of) the SE have changed rapidly around them and so has the world.

I just looked up how far it is to travel to Dubai assuming the planes were out of action. 72 hours! And you couldn't get there anyway as it is entirely ringed about by hostile countries, some of which are actually at war.

It only works because of the planes, doesn't it?

QuickHare · 28/06/2026 08:08

Magnificentkitteh · 27/06/2026 20:20

The relevance of the sightseeing and the fact the school is academically strong is presumably to say that the op doesn't agree with her parents that her children know nothing about England or that they are missing out from not attending an English school.

OP yanbu. I can sort of see your parents ' pov that your children are growing up in a kind of bubble, though whether they are wise to voice that i.am not sure. The rest of it sounds like pure racism/xenophobia.

But people grow up in bubbles within Britain too, of course.

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