To think carers should be jailed

[InBedBy10]

That man who threw that poor child into the alligator enclosure is said to be severely mentally disabled. He was out with 2 carers who clearly weren't watching him when this happened. Witnesses have said they were on their phones. AIBU to say they should be charged for this incident?

To be honest this is not the first time i have heard about carers being totally negligent and getting away with it. Instead the care company they worked for was sued. Which will probably happen here. But i think its totally wrong that the people directly responsible can walk off into the sunset with no repercussions. There needs to be more liability put on people in this position.

It’s quite remarkable that a lady on another thread is being told that if her toddler can’t behave on a plane quite Simply she shouldn’t take them on a plane for everybody’s sake including her and the toddlers.

But you don’t think that applies to people with learning disabilities. They should just have free rein to do whatever they want to whoever they want and we all just have to suck it up for fear of being called bigots by the likes of you ?
We’d all happily suffer a bit of name calling versus being actively put into danger

No one has to go to jail. We need an investigation and to understand what faults were made and people should be held accountable, but that doesn’t necessarily mean prison (I think it’s unlikely prison appropriate for the carers but of course we don’t know much yet).

I think the average man poses more danger to you than someone with a learning disability.

And both need to be kept under controlled conditions if you ask me.

It’s not an either or situation

If the risk assessment calls for 2 staff to be present, it means there is a high risk with just 1 staff. It’s very rare in all my years in care a 2:1 ratio was for anything other than unpredictable behaviour.

This. Carers aren't prison officers they are there to support people.

There will be risk assessments but perhaps the risk wasn't correctly identified and the carers didn't have the right briefing... Perhaps the risk assessment didn't identify all the potential risks...perhaps the carers were correctly briefed but didn't act upon it...

Something has definitely gone wrong but you can't just assumed the carers were being negligent.

It’s very bad news when people can’t debate without resorting to slurs and insults.

Nowhere in my posts could you infer that I’d want (or my old line manager) learning disabled people institutionalised. I named a number of social situations where we’d avoid because of the perceived higher risk.

As other people upthread have mentioned carers can be put in situations that aren’t appropriate or manageable for the people they’re looking after.

Your generalised statment that mobile learning disabled should not access the same places as non learning disabled or have equal rights to live a full and active social life is insulting and discriminatory. It is people like you with your beliefs that obstruct and put barriers in place to prevent the learning disabled living a full and active a social life.

@Weemammy21 avoiding certain places with very vulnerable learning disabled people who have regularly shown behaviours that would put themselves and or others at risk is reasonable. That is a detailed risk assessment.

Finding safe, outdoor activities for very vulnerable learning disabled people is important. Putting people in situations where they can’t cope or become a danger to themselves or others isn’t fair on anyone.

Because if carers start going to prison for what the people they are caring for do, we won't be able to get any carers. Minimum wage is not enough to expect anybody to take on that level of responsibility. We are rapidly moving through an expanding crisis of care as it is. Start imprisoning carers and they will work in other less dangerous minimum wage jobs. CEOs are attracted by the money and power. Carers are not.

Unfortunately there is a core of posters determined that there should be no consequences arising from this incident. Man goes back to his life; probably back in crocodile farm next week with carers on phones “doing admin”.

Obviously the situation legally is complicated (as a pp very helpfully explained in detail). But the fact is that a child was injured and could easily have perished . Why some posters think this individual should not be kept in very secure accommodation forthwith is mind boggling. (And don’t say No one said this, because they indeed have.)

It’s a case of wait and see if they were on their phones or not.
They shouldn’t have prosecuted. The big wigs who insist on care in the community should be held accountable for this. I went on a special needs cinema with DS, there was a man there who was severely disabled, slapping himself hard, shouting everywhere, it was genuinely frightening he was well over 6 foot and was getting very frustrated, the carers were two slim women. I ended up leaving early as his triggers were terrifying DS.

I very much doubt thats what they were doing 😂come on Ive been working here for 46 years and have eyes in my head.
Doing notes whilst strolling through the crocodile enclosure. Pull the other one its got bells on. They need to be doing notes, making calls where its safe. It clearly wasnt safe or this kid wouldnt have been mauled by crocodiles.

I would assume the carers would have to hand their phones over. If they delete browsing history, well… If they were doing “care plans” then maybe… but both of them simultaneously? In the crocodile enclosure?

Exactly. Both doing "care plans" and neither of them watching the person they are supposed to be with. Fantastic. Both negligent and no common sense.

Is there confirmation that both were simultaneously on their phones? I've not seen that.

I’m talking about doing a job properly, why would they go to prison if they did do it properly?

In a previous place of work we used to have a young chap with learning difficulties come in who had two carers. He was a gentle chap, worst we ever saw of him was wringing his hands. He often gave me a hug and would always ask "am I okay? Can I be here? Will you let me?" very nervous.

I think I'd known him 2-3 years when one day out of the blue he picked up the very heavy canteen of cutlery (he was a scrawny young chap - surprised he could lift it!) and launched it at the wall. The carers had him restrained and out of the building before anyone had done anything other than stop and stare.
I went out after them straight away, and the chap was already cowering on the floor in tears crying "sorry" over and over again.
I sometimes see one of the carers out now, and, 10 years later he has never done anything like that since.

My point is that he had never done anything like that before, and has not done anything since. There was nothing that would have given you any clue that he might do it, either by previous behaviour or on that day.
The carers reacted totally appropriately and immediately, despite very clearly being shocked at the time.

There are times when signs are ignored or missed - or times when it comes out of the blue, and we need to make judgement only after the facts are know, and the true facts, not what has been reported in the media.

Where has it been said they were on their phones in the crocodile enclosure?

No there isn’t, it’s all just speculation and crap on social media

I saw an article in the Daily Mail that was quite carefully written to mention phones but nothing specific, and some people on social media have said that means the carers were on phones at the time of the attack. Wasn't sure if there was anything I'd missed.

Nope just idiots like the ones on here making things up to suit their own narrative

Why is it awful? It’s pretty obvious really!