Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

That's because the term progressive has become associated with a stereotype of a left wing person, blue hair, draped in rainbows, luxury causes bla bla.
Progressive really just means wanting society to progress from the old traditional order to one that is fairer/more just/more utilitarian for greater numbers. Feminism is a perfect example of progressive politics.
Everyone who is left wing is progressive. Its kind of the point. If we didn't want to bring about change to the traditional order, the labour party would never have formed in the first place.

It doesn't mean that anymore. Progressivness.....anything but. Everyone who is left wing is progressive? Thats just not true, in the sense that you mean it.

The uneducated males who are the back bone of the economy and bankroll the economy?

Why doesn't it mean that? I don't understand why people are claiming that terms like progressive and fascism have changed their meanings. When did that happen?

Hardly. Otherwise how are they claiming that they're left behind? Schroedinger's Reform voter?

Because people insist on misusing them.

Language changes its meaning entirely, concepts become something completely different because some people think other people misuse it? Sounds like it could lead to utter chaos.

Can you give an example of why you believe it's not true?

That group does not exist

How is believing a person can change sex in progressive?

Actually I cannot backup my statement with any facts.

Wales wasn’t about Starmer. It was about wanting change after 27 years of the same party - that it was Labour was largely irrelevant. Plus a growing number of Indy curious residents and a genuine wish to be governed by and for Wales, not a U.K. party. And it’s a party of the left.

I see it differently. They voted reform for local elections as a protest. When it’s about national politics and the direction of the country, they revert to Labour (or Tory, or Lib Dem or whatever, depending on constituency)

I wondered if that's what you were thinking of.
Imo, it isn't. Because I don't believe it's possible to change sex, so trying to progress society towards an acceptance that you can would not be progress, because the destination is a mirage.
Others would disagree. However, the subset of left wing people who believe in GI do not define the progressive left, which has existed for centuries, concerning itself with social and economic reforms.

You won’t see it as a Starmer issue even when it comes up on the door step in Makerfield. Hence Labour MPs getting the problem at least.

That's a red herring. Presumably most people know that nobody can change their biological sex. Supporting the right of people to live as they choose without harming others is progressive. Unless you'd like to go back a few decades where people had to hide their true nature?

Sorry? I was pointing out that our elections for our national government were nothing to do with Starmer. Which they weren’t. They were about the government of Wales.

If most people know that people cannot change sex, why do they say transwomen are women?

I think you know that people are talking about trans women. This is really not a great example.

OK.. so who actually are the progressive left?

Yes I know. You didn't answer the question. Is it because you cannot?

It's (a) shorthand and (b) affording people a bit of common decency by not pointing out at every turn that they're not a "real" woman.

When we've finished going off on odd tangents, maybe you could explain what progressive now means, if the dictionary definition is, according to you, obsolete?

Oh you see it as a tangent? See you are almost saying I'm transphobic because I don't consider a transwoman a woman. It's not progressive to pretended someone is a women when they are not. It's deluded. But that's what you consider "progressive"?

That's what progressiveness OUGHT to be and in fairness, at one time was.

But now it's become intolerant and out of touch. For instance, it's the progressive wing of the LP which advocates for trans rights and the expulsion of women members who oppose trans ideology. That's just one example.

I'm not saying that.