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Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 05:51

Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

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Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:04

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:04

Boris Johnson enters the thread to be “world beating”

Eh? What are you talking about?

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:06

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:04

Eh? What are you talking about?

It’s you who don’t know what you are talking about, plainly

incidentally · Yesterday 13:08

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 12:59

Oh yeah but the Palestine ones are all ok then and never violent. Give your head a wobble!
Ah well… if you can’t see that most of the country are dissatisfied with Starmer, then more fool you! You are obviously one of the easily manipulated!
Oh what it must be like to go around with your head buried in the sand while being unable to see what most people can see as clear as day 😂 I mean the whole point of the Makerfield by election was set up to oust Starmer. But you carry on oblivious to it all lol

Okey dokey - I'll leave you to it.

lol

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:08

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:06

It’s you who don’t know what you are talking about, plainly

Johnson saw a lot of resignations yes. Starmer is also clocking them up pretty sharply too! Besides I was never a Boris Johnson supporter so if you’re trying to use it as a gotcha then it hasn’t worked!

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:09

incidentally · Yesterday 13:08

Okey dokey - I'll leave you to it.

lol

Yes please do! You can’t reason with brainwashed people!

the80sweregreat · Yesterday 13:10

It’ll be turmoil for the country , but even more so for AB who has lived in the bubble of being a mayor. A bit like Boris Johnson was and he was a popular one too.
Once the media start digging around what he did as health secretary years ago ( PFI wasn’t that huge a success ) and how one of his current advisors on the payroll gets paid a fortune for two days work ( this was on Facebook and no, I don’t have a ‘source ‘ , but it was on there and don’t know if its true ) and all the other things they may dig up about him , he may find that not be surrounded by people that like him and think his the best thing ever is a whole different ball game especially as our press and X in particular are incredibly hostile.
Its already started with calls for a GE. Keir Starmer can stand as a candidate if there is a challenge. He isn’t going to leave quietly it seems. I feel that the ‘King of the North ‘ may not like the constant criticism he’ll receive , ( only my opinion though )

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:10

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:08

Johnson saw a lot of resignations yes. Starmer is also clocking them up pretty sharply too! Besides I was never a Boris Johnson supporter so if you’re trying to use it as a gotcha then it hasn’t worked!

Ah. So you can get an inference.

it’s not a gotcha about your politics. It’s a gotcha for your willingness to skate over a fact in pursuit of your preferred view.

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 13:10

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · Yesterday 12:22

Count Binface polled more than half the Lib Dem vote and a third of the Greens.

Yep. Tactical voting in action. And until the political establishment admits that the two party system is dead and considers a more representative electoral system, so it will continue.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 13:10

incidentally · Yesterday 12:37

A lot of the KS hate has been stoked by the right-wing press with vested interests.

But as it looks like he is going, let's focus on the future, which is hopefully Andy Burnham.

I share your hope re Burnham.

I think Starmer is ok. But ok is not really good enough. We need somebody better than ok.

Difficult to explain why I think Starmer is just ok, but I can maybe explain in toolmaker terms.

So a toolmaker does an apprenticeship, Then a good few years on the tools. They might become a foreman, then a toolroom manager. But they can, and do, go back on the tools for a rush job. They might set up their own shop and end up MD of a big company. But they can still go back to the tools.

Starmer, to me, comes across as super ambitious. He start's an apprenticeship, does not finish it. He moves into QA. Is a QA supervisor by the time his fellow apprentices are finishing serving their time. Then Starmer is sucking up to the boss, moves into production. He does just enough to get promoted. Sometimes he is promoted because there is nobody else. He makes it to sales director, then does a hostile takeover to be CEO.

To me, Starmer is always wanting the promotion without being bothered at actually being really good at the steps to get there.

As evidence, he was head of the CPS, but as PM he keeps referring to seeking legal council. Why ? Why is he using other lawyers to advise him when he was the top lawyer.

And I think for him, as PM he is the same. It's a stepping stone to the next bit. A Lord, a world statesman. He appears to always be looking at the next step up with the minimum effort in the actual job of the moment. He passes the job that he is employed to do to advisors.

But we need a time served toolmaker who can go on the tools. Someone who is good at the basics. The stuff that Starmer skipped.

That's how I see it.

nomas · Yesterday 13:11

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 12:59

Oh yeah but the Palestine ones are all ok then and never violent. Give your head a wobble!
Ah well… if you can’t see that most of the country are dissatisfied with Starmer, then more fool you! You are obviously one of the easily manipulated!
Oh what it must be like to go around with your head buried in the sand while being unable to see what most people can see as clear as day 😂 I mean the whole point of the Makerfield by election was set up to oust Starmer. But you carry on oblivious to it all lol

Were pro-Palestine marches banned under the Tories?

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:12

I’m laughing hard at this toolmaker analogy. I do get it, but “toolmaker” is probably going to be on Keir Starmer’s political obituary

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:12

nomas · Yesterday 13:11

Were pro-Palestine marches banned under the Tories?

I’m not talking about the Tories! Just because I made a positive comment about Kemi Badenoch doesn’t automatically mean I support the tories either so nice try 😊

nomas · Yesterday 13:14

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:12

I’m not talking about the Tories! Just because I made a positive comment about Kemi Badenoch doesn’t automatically mean I support the tories either so nice try 😊

You seem to be suggesting that Starmer allowing pro-Palestine marches is wrong but you conveniently ignore that they have always been allowed, even under the Tories.

Why the double standard?

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:16

nomas · Yesterday 13:14

You seem to be suggesting that Starmer allowing pro-Palestine marches is wrong but you conveniently ignore that they have always been allowed, even under the Tories.

Why the double standard?

Oh so you have come to the assumption that I agreed with pro Palestine marches under the tories have you! What a strange way of thinking and what a strange assumption to make.

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:17

You are a bit fast and loose with your assertions and assumptions

nomas · Yesterday 13:17

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:16

Oh so you have come to the assumption that I agreed with pro Palestine marches under the tories have you! What a strange way of thinking and what a strange assumption to make.

You seem unwilling to answer the question why marches under Starmer = bad but marches under Tories = good.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:18

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:00

No it isn’t! He’s brought it all on by himself. Even a lot of his own party want him gone. He’s had more resignations from his members in the last few months than I think I’ve ever seen in such a short space of time.

He did get here by himself. Starmer will be gone soon and Burnham can find out if he can turn it around.

Sulgari · Yesterday 13:19

keepswimming38 · Yesterday 05:57

This is driven by Burnhams ego. I’m really sick of this male machismo shite.

Agreed

it’s very much the Andy Burnham show

Easy to forget he was part of the failed Brown government too

LakieLady · Yesterday 13:19

Nottodaty · Yesterday 08:17

Things do need to change, I just don’t think changing one talker for another talker.

Nothing seems to be landing with any party and people creating a frenzy, mis information being used for their own narrative.

Unsettling, and worrying. We don’t have the money to keep paying out, we want to look after the most vulnerable but they right now are at risk. We need to ensure we supporting our young people with opportunities or we will loose them. We need to deal fast with the people arriving at our shores - support where needed and if not ticket back home swiftly.

Re getting failed asylum seekers back home, asylum decisions are being made a fair bit more quickly than they were and failed claimants are being removed more promptly.

However, there is now a backlog of appeals waiting to be determined, the wait for a first-tier hearing is well over a year.

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:19

nomas · Yesterday 13:17

You seem unwilling to answer the question why marches under Starmer = bad but marches under Tories = good.

OMG are you okay?? Please point to where I have said it was ok under the tories and quote it please. Also please read back my comment you have quoted! I honestly dispair at some of you on this thread 🤦‍♀️ There is no hope 😂

ByGraptharsHammer · Yesterday 13:20

LakieLady · Yesterday 13:19

Re getting failed asylum seekers back home, asylum decisions are being made a fair bit more quickly than they were and failed claimants are being removed more promptly.

However, there is now a backlog of appeals waiting to be determined, the wait for a first-tier hearing is well over a year.

The appeals system for asylum needs to be reformed. All that is happening is that the arguments which the HO is rejecting are being ported into the appeal system. That will not be fast unless the procedure is changed.

nomas · Yesterday 13:22

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:19

OMG are you okay?? Please point to where I have said it was ok under the tories and quote it please. Also please read back my comment you have quoted! I honestly dispair at some of you on this thread 🤦‍♀️ There is no hope 😂

So what's the point of calling out the marches happening under Starmer? What was the aim?

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:25

nomas · Yesterday 13:22

So what's the point of calling out the marches happening under Starmer? What was the aim?

So you cannot point me to where I said Palestine marches were ok under the tories then! Okay! Thats that solved then! I have no time for people who make up shit that I haven’t said! So I’ll leave you to your make believe stories.
Have a good day!

nomas · Yesterday 13:29

Flyingintotheunknown · Yesterday 13:25

So you cannot point me to where I said Palestine marches were ok under the tories then! Okay! Thats that solved then! I have no time for people who make up shit that I haven’t said! So I’ll leave you to your make believe stories.
Have a good day!

It's weird that you think far right protests are peaceful but Starmer is a disgrace for allowing Palestine protests.

Just sayin'.

incidentally · Yesterday 13:30

nomas · Yesterday 13:29

It's weird that you think far right protests are peaceful but Starmer is a disgrace for allowing Palestine protests.

Just sayin'.

Well yeah, I was thinking this, but trying to avoid being sucked into another puerile slanging match.